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Re: 1st Quarter 2022: In These Last Days: The Message of Hebrews [Re: Daryl] #194688
03/13/22 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
Interesting.

Can you quote anything of concern from the Lesson Quarterly to back up those concerns?


Yes, this thread is to discuss the subjects presented in the lessons.
The study of Hebrews has been a tremendous blessing.
There have been many good points --
Now what should take place is as one studies the lesson read the Biblical passages over and over. Read the context around those Biblical passages. The comments in the quarterly are commentary that stimulate thinking and promote deeper study, they are not the Bible. Some comments we find very helpful, some we say --maybe there is more to think about here-- the writer is not the final word.

So yes, -- if we want to talk about the lesson let's talk about the passages in the lesson.


I listened to some of the discussion on the video. Veith objected to the idea that the Hebrew priests were a "mediator". Yes, the Catholics have taken that concept to serious lengths. Yes, the Hebrew priests were "types" -- but still they were a TYPE of Christ's mediatorial ministry in which they demonstrated mediatorial work. The lesson makes it quite plain that the whole Hebrew system was a TYPE that pointed forward to the true. It makes it quite plain the types could not do the actual work, they were all promises of the coming reality of Christ.

Veith suggests the "vital doctrines of Adventism are left out" -- were they? The lesson on Hebrews 3-4 was pretty strong on the Sabbath! The second coming was not left out.
There were times I thought the presentation of the investigative judgment however was WEAK. It wasn't left out, but it was rather weak. I was happy to see the teacher's comments for this week's lesson were pretty good in outlining the Biblical bases for the doctrine of the preAdvent judgment. So it was NOT left out. If teacher's read the teacher's quarterly this week, they will have been exposed to the Biblical bases for the preAdvent judgment.

I'm not sure vilifying the whole quarterly is a wise thing.
We should be using the time to seriously study the things in Hebrews, not just for specific doctrine, but for the whole message in this Biblical Book.

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Re: 1st Quarter 2022: In These Last Days: The Message of Hebrews [Re: Daryl] #194696
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SHAKING AND THE UNSHAKABLE KINGDOM

1st shaking referred to --
Mt Sinai where our Awesome God Himself spoke His law amid thunder and tempestuous conditions. And there will be a future shaking when God Himself holds the ten commandments amid the natural upheavals of nature and steps in to deliver His people. (See Great Controversy 637)

But there is another shaking that we need to be even more aware of --
A spiritual shaking that we are warned against.
When the spiritual tempest rages will we be among those who "cannot be moved".
Will our "anchor hold in the time of storm, fastened to the rock that cannot move, anchored firm and deep in the Savior's love".

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There will be an army of steadfast believers who will stand as firm as a rock through the last test. But where in that army are those who have been standard-bearers? Where are those whose voices have sounded in proclaiming the truth to the sinning? Some of them are not there. We look for them; but in the time of shaking they have been unable to stand, and have passed over to the enemy's ranks. 1 SAT 89

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