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Re: Daniel and Revelation Interpretations [Re: dedication] #195124
10/25/22 08:04 PM
10/25/22 08:04 PM
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Do you want the context of that quote?
Daniel and Revelation?
The mighty Angel who instructed John was no less a personage than Jesus Christ. Setting His right foot on the sea, and His left upon the dry land, shows the part which He is acting in the closing scenes of the great controversy with Satan. This position denotes His supreme power and authority over the whole earth. The controversy has waxed stronger and more determined from age to age, and will continue to do so, to the concluding scenes when the masterly working of the powers of darkness shall reach their height. Satan, united with evil men, will deceive the whole world and the churches who receive not the love of the truth. But the mighty Angel demands attention. He cries with a loud voice. He is to show the power and authority of His voice to those who have united with Satan to oppose the truth.
After these seven thunders uttered their voices, the instruction comes to John as to Daniel in regard to the little book: ?Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered.? These relate to future events which will be disclosed in their order. Daniel shall stand in his lot at the end of the days. John sees the little book unsealed. Then Daniel's prophecies have their proper place in the first, second, and third angels? messages to be given to the world. The unsealing of the little book was the message in relation to time.
The books of Daniel and the Revelation are one. One is a prophecy, the other a revelation; one a book sealed, the other a book opened. John heard the mysteries which the thunders uttered, but he was commanded not to write them.
The special light given to John which was expressed in the seven thunders was a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angels? messages. It was not best for the people to know these things, for their faith must necessarily be tested. In the order of God most wonderful and advanced truths would be proclaimed. The first and second angels? messages were to be proclaimed, but no further light was to be revealed before these messages had done their specific work. This is represented by the Angel standing with one foot on the sea, proclaiming with a most solemn oath that time should be no longer.

This time, which the angel declares with a solemn oath, is not the end of this world's history, neither of probationary time, but of prophetic time, which should precede the advent of our Lord. That is, the people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time, reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844
The Angel's position, with one foot on the sea, the other on the land, signifies the wide extent of the proclamation of the message. It will cross the broad waters and be proclaimed in other countries, even to all the world. The comprehension of truth, the glad reception of the message, is represented in the eating of the little book. The truth in regard to the time of the advent of our Lord was a precious message to our souls.
The greatest work to be done in this life is to make preparation for the future life, for that life which measures with the life of God. A probation has been granted us that, notwithstanding the difficulties, we may cultivate virtues which shall carry us into the higher life. Pure love for one another is exercised by those who are partakers of the divine nature.. Manuscript 59 (1900)

EGW was consistant all through the years on this issue.
She did not write this simply to meet some isolated condition, she voiced this consistently over many years and in response to many different attempts to change the interpretations of time in prophecy or set dates for endtime events.
It's all based on Revelation 10


I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.?2SM 73 (1885).
Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord?s coming.?10MR 270 (1888)

But again -- This is based on the Bible, she is simply agreeing with scripture.

It is the DIVINE ANGEL that proclaims that time shall be no longer. This is in Revelation10:6
The bible itself gives the clues as to where we are in these prophecies.
In the very next verse the angel says the seventh trumpet has not yet sounded -- but it will sound and it will bring God's . mystery to a finish. Revelation 10:7
We are living in the seventh trumpet. The opening of the heavenly message of the ark in heaven with its testament (10 commandments) has gone forth, the time of the dead that they should be judged has come, Christ is about to take great power and make the final end to sin! (Revealation 11:18-19 We don't have to wait for a bunch of timelines to unfold, we are at the end and the final movements will be rapid ones.

Re: Daniel and Revelation Interpretations [Re: dedication] #195173
11/14/22 04:39 PM
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The main message in Daniel and Revelation is not "time" predictions, that is included mainly to set a framework spanning history so we can see approximately where we are in the unfolding of the Great Controversy.

What I see is the battle between the true and the false worship.
And the revealing of the two leaders who are offering us these two choices.

Prophecy is a revelation of Christ our Savior and Redeemer and those who worship Him.
Prophecy also reveals the opposition,
the rebellious fallen angel who has set up false worship for this followers who end up worshipping him.


Do we serve the METAL MAN?
In Daniel two we see a METAL MAN. A lifeless yet impressive and domineering metal man who demands worship and honor throughout earth's history.


Do we serve the LIVING MAN, the Son of God?

In Daniel ten and twelve we see the LIVING MAN. He is Michael, the great prince who stands for His people.
He is also depicted in Daniel 10:5-6: whose loins girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
His body also like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

In Revelation the same two are portrayed.


Christ the first and last, the LAMB of God slain but living, working to Redeem mankind, worthy of honor and worship.
In opposition --
We see beasts of prey, powerful, domineering, demanding worship.

The battle is over "US". We are the ones over which the battle wages -- the choice of who we will worship is ours.

Yet the outcome is vastly different.
Misery and eternal death is the only reward offered by one of these leaders.

But we have another option, thanks to our wonderful Savior!
He offers Salvation, eternal Life and endless happiness for all who belief, trust and follow Christ

Re: Daniel and Revelation Interpretations [Re: dedication] #195219
12/03/22 12:23 AM
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Prophetic interpretation of Daniel and Revelation
Historicist, Futurist, or Preterist?

Outlines the progression of divine revelation concerning human and ecclesiastical (church) history and the story of the struggle between good and evil from the time of the prophet on down to the end of time.
For centuries this was the chief method of biblical scholars as they interpreted these books.

The historical interpretation of prophecy identified and regards Papal Rome as the Babylon of the Apocalypse, and the Roman pontiff as ?the man of sin.? The historical interpretation was the earliest adopted in the Christian Church; it developed with the course of history; it sustained the Church in the wilderness through the long central ages of apostasy; it gave birth to the Reformation and gave them the courage to stand up against the dominate church in spite of much persecution, it provided the basis for the Adventist church to see where we are in history and to understand the three angel's message.
It stood for ages, and takes us through the time of the end into the light of eternity.
The historic interpretation is no dream of ignorant enthusiasts. It has grown with the growth of generations; it has been built up by the labours of men of many nations and ages. It has been embodied in solemn confessions of the Protestant Church. It forms a leading element in the testimony of martyrs and reformers. Like the prophets of old, these holy men bore a double testimony?a testimony for the truth of God, and a testimony against the apostasy of His professing people?and this was their testimony and nothing less, that Papal Rome is the Babylon of prophecy, drunken with the saints and martyrs; and that its head, the Roman pontiff, is the predicted ?man of sin,? or antichrist. To reject this testimony of God?s providential witnesses on a matter of such fundamental import, and to prefer to it the counter-doctrine advocated by the apostate, persecuting Church of Rome, is the error and guilt of modern Futurism.? H. Grattan Guinness,Romanism and the Reformation From the Standpoint of Prophecy, pp. 297, 298.

So what happened?

Rome was facing a crises. The Prophecies in the Bible were all pointing at the Roman Papal system as the anti-christ, the whore with the wine of intoxication, the apostate religious system, the horn speaking blasphemy. So the counter-reformation was launched, and a prophetic interpretation that supposedly wasn't talking about papal Rome had to be introduced.

One system: preterist, had placed the fulfilment of prophecy all before the papacy arose.
The other system: futurism, skipped from Christ's day all the way to the end, ignoring all Christian history in the middle and predicting the prophecies will all be fulfilled at the end. The latter later became rather popular with protestants (destroying their former historicist interpretations)

Get's it's name because most of the prophecies (except for a few referring to Christ's time) are lifted and far removed from the prophet's time, into the future.
Futurism sees the symbolic mostly as literal, denying the symbolic character of many of the symbols.
It hides the light that has guided the faithful throughout Christendom,
It basically tries to tell us the Reformers were all wrong in their prophetic interpretations and they were right.
It tries to tell us Adventism is all wrong in their prophetic interpretations and that Rome was never identified in these prophecies.

Futurism can take different forms.

One rather popular form of futurism developed rather recently by "protestants" has made a large impact on society! It has and is playing a role in shaping American (and some others) foreign policy toward the Middle East. It has introduced several (what we believe are unbiblical) doctrines, like -- the secret rapture, Daniel's 70th week thrown into the future, the need for a third temple, where anti Christ will interfere with sacrifices, etc.

Catholics do NOT generally buy into the rapture side of futurism. One tends to find more preterist ideas in Catholic literature.
The Book of Revelation according to one Catholic scholar, was written for people who were living during the time of the author. It was written for them. They were being persecuted thus encouraging prophecies were written for them in code for their protection. Revelation, he claimed, is not a prophecy outlining things for the 21st Century.
It is also stated in their literature: that neither is the Book of Revelation a prophecy of some future or imminent return of Christ. It is a symbolic record of the victory of the Church over the world of evil especially during the days of the Roman Empire. But also in the time of the end the church will triumph. They do teach that Christ will come in glory to judge the world at some point as well. But a big point is the triumph of the church over society.
.There are facts: Rome felt the force of these prophecies in Revelation, and sought to evade them. The only way for them was to deny their applicability Find different objects or groups to pin the accusing prophecies on. They could not deny their existence in Scripture. They were there plainly enough. But they denied that these prophecies referred to the Romish Church and its head. It pushed them aside. It shifted them from the entire field of mediaeval and modern history.?
See H. Grattan Guinness, Romanism and the Reformation from the Standpoint of Prophecy, pp. 251, 252.

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