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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: Will]
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02/28/11 03:08 AM
02/28/11 03:08 AM
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I know what you mean Cephalopod the world is upside down, and I keep thinking about 2 verses:
1: The love of many will wax cold
2: All of creation groans
We have those 2 conditions at the very minimum existing today, and I feel frightened every day at what is going on around me, but am comforted knowing these things must happen before Christ comes
I know what you mean about sports, at least taking it all the way and being hardcore about it as it is pretty much idolatry.
Playing ball with your friends is a bit different
Yes, and even worse then that is what we read in the so called Bible.... ...I'm sure you witnessed the quotes I provided that proved the Faith of Jesus "IS" Ellen White. ...Luke says when Jesus comes will he find anyone who believes in Sister White any longer.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
The faith of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy... ...And the Spirit of Prophecy is Sister White. ...Or at least that's what the Church taught while Sister was alive. Back in Sister White's day she was describing "her students", i.e. 'our schools'... ...Young people who were going to school - playing tennis as 'exercise'. ...The violation is the actual game. It's just since the Prophet died things have started to descend... ...Pastors within the Church are taking collections for 'The Big Game'. http://www.goallpower.com/superbowl/Imagine that - he has a football right on the website... ...If the angels didn't approve of cricket and tennis. ...What in all mercy of Michael do they think of the biggest hardcore game in the world???? ...Our Church might as well pay for mini adds about the Sabbath on porno tapes. ...If cricket is a species of Idol would not pornographic material be another species?
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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: cephalopod]
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02/28/11 04:34 AM
02/28/11 04:34 AM
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I know what you mean Cephalopod the world is upside down, and I keep thinking about 2 verses:
1: The love of many will wax cold
2: All of creation groans
We have those 2 conditions at the very minimum existing today, and I feel frightened every day at what is going on around me, but am comforted knowing these things must happen before Christ comes
I know what you mean about sports, at least taking it all the way and being hardcore about it as it is pretty much idolatry.
Playing ball with your friends is a bit different
Yes, and even worse then that is what we read in the so called Bible.... ...I'm sure you witnessed the quotes I provided that proved the Faith of Jesus "IS" Ellen White. ...Luke says when Jesus comes will he find anyone who believes in Sister White any longer.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
The faith of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy... ...And the Spirit of Prophecy is Sister White. ...Or at least that's what the Church taught while Sister was alive. Back in Sister White's day she was describing "her students", i.e. 'our schools'... ...Young people who were going to school - playing tennis as 'exercise'. ...The violation is the actual game. It's just since the Prophet died things have started to descend... ...Pastors within the Church are taking collections for 'The Big Game'. http://www.goallpower.com/superbowl/Imagine that - he has a football right on the website... ...If the angels didn't approve of cricket and tennis. ...What in all mercy of Michael do they think of the biggest hardcore game in the world???? ...Our Church might as well pay for mini adds about the Sabbath on porno tapes. ...If cricket is a species of Idol would not pornographic material be another species? Regarding the identity of the "Spirit of Prophecy," perhaps the following analogy would be a good comparison. All ducks are birds. But not all birds are ducks. Ellen White's writings are of the Spirit of Prophecy. But not all of the Spirit of Prophecy is Ellen White. In fact, John the Revelator gave us a clear definition of the "Spirit of Prophecy." The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. (Revelation 1:1-3)
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:10) So John gave us the testimony of Jesus, and the angel told him that this testimony was "the spirit of prophecy." From a strictly Biblical perspective, therefore, the book of Revelation cannot be reasonably excluded from the "Spirit of Prophecy." Nor do I suppose that other books of the Bible should be excluded either. The entire Word of God is a portion of the "Spirit of Prophecy." Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: cephalopod]
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02/28/11 04:35 AM
02/28/11 04:35 AM
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Luke isn't talking about Sister White, he is quoting Jesus talking about the condition of the earth and people departing from God e.g. not believing in Christ.
Just like all the prophets Ellen White had the gift of prophecy, that same Spirit is demonstrated in the prophets of the old and new testament, it is God using them to spread the Gospel.
That is what I firmly to be the truth.
As a side note I don't need to be proselytized into the early SDA purported Adventist belief.
I know exactly where your post is going, and your intent, as I said people have a hobby horse they just can't give up, and I personally am not interested in entertaining such thoughts, life has changed and so have the times.
It's all about doing God's work and bringing people to Christ, not anyone else.
There are plenty of other forums that cater to the ye olde time of Adventism and all I got was in-reaping, not much about testifying to the world about Jesus Christ and loving your enemy and praying for those that curse you.
You and you alone are responsible for your own salvation, not anyone else, be strong in Christ.
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: Will]
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02/28/11 05:42 AM
02/28/11 05:42 AM
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Luke was asking if Jesus would find faith when he comes again...
...I take that to mean will he find faith in the people.
...Our Church identified the Faith of Jesus is Sister White.
...I provided the quotes where this was taught.
When I show the quotes in context pulled directly from our archives...
...It's not purported Adventist belief, it WAS Adventist belief.
If the sports of tennis and cricket existed in Isiahs' and Daniel's time hack...
...And they each spoke out against those things as a species of idol worship.
...Would not their teaching be an 'eternal teaching'?
...Or because we cherish those sports could we justify playing them?
I realize I'm a laughing stock to many people but the teachings of Sister White are either of authority...
...Or they are subject to an individuals interpretation and can be accepted or rejected.
...I wouldn't be shocked if the SDA church in the future dumps the Sanctuary and I.J.
...After that the Sabbath will fall.
May God Bless you Will...
...Through His Son Michael the archangel.
...Our mutable christ.
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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: Will]
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02/28/11 06:42 AM
02/28/11 06:42 AM
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 Will. i looked for the Throne of God by concordance at first, then it seemed to locate itself in various passages, and surprise me! In a way it reminds me of Air Force One,  the armoured Boeing 747 used by the US Presidents; as it is fully mobile, and built for flight upon four mighty Cherubim. You express an interest in the heavenly throne, Will? Does it appear again in the passage, where we need our stony hearts taken away? Is it a tiny window into Ezekiel? which i find a hard book. i will re-read through your Post, and look for thoughts and attitudes you have left there for me. You were so kind to Reply. God bless,  johannes.
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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: Will]
#131276
02/28/11 07:35 AM
02/28/11 07:35 AM
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Cephalopod,
We are all entitled to believe what we want to believe, and we all need to be convinced in our own mind.
THe way a message is presented also makes a difference. Personally I am not in the mood or have the time to go and explain where your view is wrong if indeed it is wrong, do you know what I mean?
Lets not take our eyes off of Christ especially in these scary times where the stage is set for the final scene.
I personally can't stand when people tell me EGW is this, and you better believe that, BUT when I read EGW's writings for example COL, I really understand things and what she was saying vs someone explaining their interpretation of what she said.
All we can do is prove all things and take that which is good.
God Bless,
Will
 Hello Will, i like to approach the Bible each day, to see if God has a message for my heart. i need an heart of flesh so God can write His commandments there. [Ezek 11:16 to end of chapter, which also includes Ezekiel being given a vision of God, to comfort the scattered Israelites of the captivity.] God has promised to be a little Sanctuary for us.The church now has the Fundamentals, which i believe are a good basis or framework for study. i know a retired Pastor who introduces them one by one when introducing a new interest to the Truth. Generally if someone gives me a text as a proof for some point i like to read the whole chapter, to get the sense. Personal views i think are for the person who has them. i do not have to convince anyone else. But i think it is OK to share. But i agree with you Will, it is pretty pointless insisting any-one must agree with any one Believer's view. Particularly as Holy Writ is interpreted only after reverent prayer. Other people's views are of interest, but i need to be saved. In a sense we are in a captivity and are scattered, [as in the story of Ezekiel] for who knows we should have been in the Kingdom before this. For Jesus might have come before had we been more diligent in telling the glad news. God bless,  johannes. Hi Johannes, Recently, well maybe not so recently but for a while now I ask God to just feed me spiritually, and that I may know more about Him cause I want to be closer to Him and share with my son His love through Jesus Christ. I do have a couple of topics I do love to read about especially the Sanctuary Services and how it represented Jesus Christ, and the throne in heaven believe it or not. Its one of my favorite things to study when I have time.Other wise I read to my son a chapter a night from the book of John, and that is a challenge in itself as he is so eager to turn the pages hahaha I think it's great to share cause we never know what someone may get from what was shared with them. The seed is planted and needs to take root, and it may be a while until it starts to grow. Thats a good analogy of being scattered and in captivity, never thought of it that way, and the verse in Romans I think that mentions that what happened to the Israelites should serve as an example to us. God Bless, Will Will, Basically scripture, as you say Will, is a form of daily bread. My thought is the blessing only comes after reverent Prayer. The intention of prayer is to first seek, in my view, to ascertain the direction of God's Way, to ask to meet needs of interest to Him ... You mention an interest in the throne in heaven, Will? At first i looked for it by concordance, but now it seems to pop up just around the corner, as if God is happy to be near us. The passage where we have stony hearts, might be another occurrence? If so it might give me a window into Ezekiel, which i find a hard book. The Sanctuary Service, another of your beloved topics, speaks to me of Forgiveness. Of which we need much. And my unique Dad, basked in the book written by John, which you are apparently interacting with your son.. John was perhaps the youngest, most emotionally vulnerable Disciple. So i have much to ponder on in your very kind Post, Will. God bless, johannes.
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Re: Shut-door theology- Who came up with it and how?
[Re: johannes]
#131284
02/28/11 08:01 PM
02/28/11 08:01 PM
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....As expressed in this Post i find the Introduction of this discussion factual and helpful.... I do not see that Rick H’s explanation really answered the issue here, namely Spiritually/Prophetically given the fact that God later confirmed in a vision that there had been a form of a “Shut Door” in EGW first vision. I have posted an 8-page study on this Shut Door issue on my blog which further examines this Divine approval issue and also why God later showed that there were not only one more, but two shut Doors (i.e., in the Sanctuary) (See here). This study expands what had been first advanced in this previous discussion post.
“Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.” Matt 25:45 NJK Project
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