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Re: Whose are we?
#10171
09/25/03 12:32 PM
09/25/03 12:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Claborn:
Darius,
Usually contradictory beliefs that reside in a body of believers or a person can be attributed to conflicting goals, ideas, or self-exaltation... Don't forget those other motivators fear, and love.... (power is also a factor)
The question is which factors are at work within our church.....
I don't think these get to the crux of the matter because you have not considered the totality of our human experience. Why is it that people who hold to contradictory beliefs in religion do not do the same in their jobs and professions? The natural response for humans is to resolve logical inconsistencies in every area of life, except religion. You will agree that everything you mentioned above exists in the field in which you work, yet Christians who practice your craft do not countenance contradictory beliefs in their profession. I think we have to go deeper than that.
What do you think? I will give my perspective in my next post on this subject.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/25/03 01:58 PM
09/25/03 01:58 PM
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Darius,
I would agree that in other areas of our lives we attempt to minimize the tension that conflicting beliefs may cause except for the area of religion. Has it become our sacred cow (as it were) so that we don't or refuse to question those things that contribute to the conflict?
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Re: Whose are we?
#10173
09/25/03 02:20 PM
09/25/03 02:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Claborn:
Darius,
I would agree that in other areas of our lives we attempt to minimize the tension that conflicting beliefs may cause except for the area of religion. Has it become our sacred cow (as it were) so that we don't or refuse to question those things that contribute to the conflict?
I would suggest that you look to the influence Aquinas had on the way we attain knowledge. He it was who suggested that we should approach religious knowledge differently from other types of knowledge. This became the basis of the philosophy of the Roman Catholic church and has found a home in all Protestant communities, though they claim to be different from the Roman Catholic church. That is the genesis of our problem.
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Re: Whose are we?
#10174
09/26/03 05:07 PM
09/26/03 05:07 PM
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The truth determines what is contradictory. Sabbath keeping, for example, is the truth. Sunday keeping clearly contradicts the truth. Any denomination that violates the sabbath cannot be a part of God's end time remnant. Please notice that I did not say any church member.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/26/03 07:06 PM
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Mike,
A denomination cannot (well they can cause we sda's do) self-identify themselves as God's remnant. That presumes that they (the church, in our case the sda church) knows the mind of God. That we know who belong to Him and who don't..... He has not given us that task.......
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/26/03 08:47 PM
09/26/03 08:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
Not only does our God know the end from the beginning, He also willingly shares that knowledge with us. The prophet Amos asserted that "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Amos 3:7. Given that set of facts and our self-identification as the Remnant, where is the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church specifically foretold, or is it only human effort that has received the blessing of God?
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Amos 3:7.
Seeing that Ellen White was also God's prophet or messenger, does she say anything about the SDA Church being "The Remnant"???
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/27/03 03:10 AM
09/27/03 03:10 AM
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The truth determines what is contradictory. Sabbath keeping, for example, is the truth. Sunday keeping clearly contradicts the truth. Any denomination that violates the sabbath cannot be a part of God's end time remnant. Please notice that I did not say any church member.
"Here is the church, there is the steeple, but where are the people?"
What is the remnant? How do we identify the remnant with 'denomination' and exclude the people? What is God going to save?
Shalom
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Re: Whose are we?
#10178
09/27/03 03:19 AM
09/27/03 03:19 AM
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quote:
Usually contradictory beliefs that reside in a body of believers or a person can be attributed to conflicting goals, ideas, or self-exaltation... Don't forget those other motivators fear, and love.... (power is also a factor)
The question is which factors are at work within our church.....
Steve, those are all conditions present, but they are conditions and not the cause. What is the cause that those conditions are present?
Shalom
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/27/03 04:11 AM
09/27/03 04:11 AM
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God is proclaiming the truth through the remnant church. Not all sincere Christians are members of the remnant church. Preaching the 3AM's is the primary mission of the remnant church. The SDA denomination is the only church in the world that is preaching the truth about the 3AM's.
This truth is what makes the SDA church the remnant of Rev 12-22. Which is not to say every member is experiencing salvation. Jesus said, "Salvation is of the Jews' (John 4:22), and yet not every Jew was experiencing salvation. So it is with the SDA church today.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/27/03 04:55 PM
09/27/03 04:55 PM
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Mike,
Where does it say that the remnant's primary purpose is to preach the 3 angels message? Especially in light of the fact that the bible states in Rev 14 that angels are preaching the message. Before you answer consider that there are 3 additional angels in Rev 14 which are engaged in activity. Now the question is why do we say that the first 3 angels who are preaching a message is something humans are to do, yet the last 3 angels are doing activity that only angels can do? If Rev 14 is prophetic, (and I believe it is) then what do angels represent?
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