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Re: Justification
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03/08/05 10:51 PM
03/08/05 10:51 PM
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The 1st: God justify all men through Christ redemption, but applicable only to those who believe him.
The 2nd: At the day of Judgment, God justify only those who has faith in Christ and live righteous as according to the demand of the law.
Both are true. The word "justify" means different things, depending on the context. In the first case, the meaning would be along the lines of "reconciled," in the second "vindicated."
Also instead of "applicable" I would prefer the word "experienced." Redemption in Christ has been given to all, but those who reject it (i.e. choose not to respond to the wooing of the Holy Spirit) will not experience its full benefit, which is not simply the temporal existence we have now, but life eternal. Those who believe the Good News experience reconciliation, and receive eternal life by faith in Christ.
Those who are thus reconciled will demonstrate by their works that they have been reconciled. The judgement will vindicate, or justify, God's decision to bring them into heaven.
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Re: Justification
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03/13/05 11:58 PM
03/13/05 11:58 PM
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Denborg.
Sin does exist before there is law, is not my thought but Paul. So, debate your thought with Paul.
I knew that Paul refers “law” here is the one that was issued at Sinai. And to this law, sin is transgression of the law.
Therefore, if God didn’t issued this law at Sinai, we are guilty of nothing and he has no legal right to execute the death, which is his creation upon men. The fact we die still would make us blame God, if there is any.
In His love
James S
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Re: Justification
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03/14/05 12:00 AM
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Tom.
Yes, the 1st justification is God act in reconciling him with men, which is on Jesus account, the 2nd is our action to reconcile our selves to God, which is also on Jesus account as our Mediator.
But if the 1st is experienced only by those who believe him, and without the 1st there would be no the 2nd, then there is no chance for those who never hear about him, isn’t it?
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James S
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Re: Justification
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03/14/05 03:46 AM
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James, I'm not sure if I'm understanding you, but I think you're saying that the first justification is God being reconciled to man by Jesus Christ. If that's what you mean, then I have a question: Who reconciled Jesus Christ to man?
Also it's true that men need to know about God to be saved, but God has told everyone about Himself, so all have the chance of being saved. (See Rom. 1)
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Re: Justification
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03/21/05 03:09 AM
03/21/05 03:09 AM
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What is the meaning of justification in our life?
The scripture says: All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. There is no justification except we exchange our righteousness for his; and we need to think in practical terms whatever our station is.
So when can a sinner be justified?
When he receives God's judgment; realizes that his righteousness is sin, and receives God's righteousness: then he is justified of God.
How can this transpire?
It is by faith that we can receive God's judgment over ours.
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