I agree, Teresa.

We also have to be careful not to apply the same rule in every place, for there are different usages and contexts to consider. Satan may be represented as a roaring lion, but then...Christ is also the "lion of the tribe of Judah." Symbols can be used for separate things, even opposite in meaning: the two goats in the sacrificial system, for example.

I have been careful here to apply the symbols within the context of the same book and the same author, because I would readily agree that "sea" can symbolize other things in other places. I don't happen to have understood it to mean evil in general, however. I suppose one might say that since money is the root of all evil, and "sea" represents monetary exchanges, business and commerce....but it seems a stretch.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

i understand the saying to be, the love of money is the root of all evil...

Yes, that's right, teresa. It's not money that's the evil (which is, after all, simply a convenient way for exchanging goods and services) but the love of money that is the problem. Also many translations render the phrase "all kinds of evil" or "all sorts of evil."

In the Greek it says,"pantwn twn kakwn" which means literally "all the evils," (which, in English, we would say "all evils"), but Strong's has the following comment about the word "pantwn":



So the translation, using the Greek word order, "for a root all sorts of evil is the love of money" looks to be correct.


(This is rather weird software. In preview mode it renders the Greek characters fine, but then when you actually post it, it doesn't, so I changed it to be transliterated. It turns out is messes that up too, so had to tweak that.)

Sounds like a glitch that will hopefully be corrected in a future upgrade.

We went off into two tangents in our Sabbath School class discussion on the topic of heaven:

1 - The fate of the wicked in the Lake of Fire as in eternal torment of Rev. 20:9-10.

2 - No marriage and child birth in heaven and on the New Earth. (There seemed to be a difference of opinion regarding marriage and children being born on the New Earth). This discussion was based on Matthew 22:23-30 and other texts dealing with this.

Did anyone express the opinion that there will be marriage in the New Earth despite Jesus' words to the contrary?

Ellen is apparently referencing Isaiah 33 here.We can only speculate but surly there will be bodies of clear pure water in habited by imnumberal creatures. Am I remembering correctly that the earth made new wouldn't need a sun, the glory of God would be the light? If that were the case, there wouldn't be a need for a moon. Then there wouldn't be the effect of the moon upon the water as there is our oceans. Perhaps there will be no need for boat or oar as perhaps we will walk on water? No need for scuba or snorkel as we will breath in the water?

1Ch 1:19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.

some see in this as continents breaking apart and oceans coming into being.

it seems that God would restore the earth to His original intention.
When God had formed the earth, there were mountains, hills, and plains, and interspersed among them were rivers and bodies of water. The earth was not one extensive plain, but the monotony of the scenery was broken by hills and mountains, not high and ragged as they now are, but regular and beautiful in shape. The bare, high rocks were never seen upon them, but lay beneath the surface, answering as bones to the earth. The waters were regularly dispersed. The hills, mountains, and very beautiful plains, were adorned with plants and flowers, and tall, majestic trees of every description, which were many times larger, and much more beautiful, than trees now are. The air was pure and healthful, and the earth seemed like a noble palace. Angels beheld and rejoiced at the wonderful and beautiful works of God. {3SG 33.1}

the ocean is beautiful with the waves......

From what I have found in Scripture, Heaven is a real place with events happening, and is populated.
For example, we know the angels are there, and that a certain type of angel surrounds God, and His Throne.
We will not live in heaven for eternity, but on the new earth, but we will be in heaven for the 1,000 years, while satan and his angels are here alone.
After all is said and done we could say it will be heaven on earth
Now regarding no sea etc.. I am wondering since the new earth will be like How Eden was, wouldn't it make sense that there be an ocean? I like to think of God not only as My Father, and Creator who sent His only Son to take away my sins, but He's an artist.. The ocean and its creatures are the opposite of the air, and its creatures i.e. flying fish\Butterflies, deep oceans and valleys\Air and Mountains.. Its really amazing, or maybe I have watched too much of BBC's Planet Earth
We only have nuggets of information how it will really be though, but we can be sure it will be something like we have never seen, imagined or heard.
God Bless,
-Will

Hi Will,

It's good to see you posting here.

Now to respond to what is being posted here.

It is my understanding that we will not need the sun and the moon within the New Jerusalem, but that we will still need the sun and the moon elsewhere.

We will also still have our daily and weekly cycle that will bring us to the 7th day Sabbath every week in which we will go and worship Him in person.