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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/30/09 08:22 PM
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I wonder if James is fair in his picture of this belief.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/30/09 10:17 PM
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most adventists have very little interaction with non-sdas discussing bible related issues, dont they/we? im not talking about the prepared bible studies where the non-sdas sit and listen to the speech.....
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/30/09 10:44 PM
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most adventists have very little interaction with non-sdas discussing bible related issues, dont they/we? im not talking about the prepared bible studies where the non-sdas sit and listen to the speech..... How many non-Adventists do you know who are interested in such? The best I had was with the Mormon missionaries, who studied with me for a year. A year! (Of course, they would change partners every six weeks or so, so I studied with a number of them, and not just two the whole time.) Mormons have an understanding of Bible symbols, similar to what Adventists have. Such an understanding is rare among other denominations. Most non-Adventists are content with their present knowledge of the Bible and do not take time, nor seem to have interest in studying it further. If they did study more, we would have more Adventists. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/31/09 03:10 AM
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most adventists have very little interaction with non-sdas discussing bible related issues, dont they/we? im not talking about the prepared bible studies where the non-sdas sit and listen to the speech..... How many non-Adventists do you know who are interested in such? The best I had was with the Mormon missionaries, who studied with me for a year. A year! (Of course, they would change partners every six weeks or so, so I studied with a number of them, and not just two the whole time.) Mormons have an understanding of Bible symbols, similar to what Adventists have. Such an understanding is rare among other denominations. Most non-Adventists are content with their present knowledge of the Bible and do not take time, nor seem to have interest in studying it further. If they did study more, we would have more Adventists. i think you proved my point. or perhaps i didnt make it clear.... im talking about improptu discussions that come up with people we know....neighbors, people we do various business with,... its kinda hard to think of a time a bible related discussion doesnt come up with someone i know or meet, sooner or later.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/31/09 07:06 PM
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Such discussions do come up occationally, but on a somewhat different side of things since my non-sda friends are agnostic at best and atheist otherwise.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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I sometimes hear it said as it has been here that non-sda christians are not interested in the scriptures, and before when I only knew about adventist christianity I could believe it. But having heard and read and spoken with such christians, I can only conclude that it somehow gives the person who says it better confidence or is a way of patting oneself on the back or something like that. Because reality and this view of things does not match up. If there is a thread of pet adventist myths on this forum, someone should add the "only adventists are interested in the bible" to it.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/31/09 11:10 PM
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I sometimes hear it said as it has been here that non-sda christians are not interested in the scriptures, and before when I only knew about adventist christianity I could believe it. But having heard and read and spoken with such christians, I can only conclude that it somehow gives the person who says it better confidence or is a way of patting oneself on the back or something like that. Because reality and this view of things does not match up. If there is a thread of pet adventist myths on this forum, someone should add the "only adventists are interested in the bible" to it. since i find so many self-proclaimed, as well as those who make no claim to being, christians interested in the bible i also wonder at the conclusions.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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08/31/09 11:57 PM
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For those of you who appear to be ignorant of my situation, and are making false judgments based upon it, let me inform you.
1) I am not living in the same conditions you may be. --I do not speak the local language here fluently, so I meet few people with whom I can communicate on a spiritual level (I do not yet have most of the religious words in my Chinese vocabulary). --Most people here have no Bible, no knowledge of the Bible, and no interest in it. They are not Christians. Perhaps 5% of people you meet here are Christians. 2) I have communicated with a number of non-Adventist Christians on Bible topics in the past. Most of them truly did not have much interest in studying further. They were content, as are most Adventists, with what they already knew. 3) A number of the ones who did appear to enjoy Bible study actually had their own pet agenda to push, which included some improper interpretations (such as "Michael" representing a created being, etc.). 4) I work with one individual who is non-Adventist, but Christian. We have had Bible discussions. 5) Everyone else I work with is Adventist.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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09/01/09 12:00 AM
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Oh...and I forgot to mention...most of my non-Adventist neighbors around here do not speak Chinese. They speak Taiwanese. I do not speak Taiwanese...so we are at a complete impasse linguistically. In such conditions, how many Bible discussions would you have?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Person of God and Spiritualism
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09/01/09 07:09 AM
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Comparing your points 2 and 3 above, I wonder if those christians you meet in the past would say you had a pet agenda to push?
And of course you are right in pointing out that different circumstances requires different expectations.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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