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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before? [Re: Mountain Man] #129262
12/01/10 03:30 AM
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Yes Mountain Man, what do you think? please. Is one allowed to follow the command, Look up, lift up your heads for you redemption draweth nigh(?) My back-ground is heavy vehicle driver, so i'm listening to you. Will all prophecies be fulfilled in the USA? or perhaps some in Canada (or China)?

Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before? [Re: johannes] #129272
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Originally Posted By: johannes
M: Johannes, why do you believe trouble in the world indicates Jesus could return today? What would fulfill the prophecies relating to the mark of beast if Jesus returned today?

J: Yes Mountain Man, what do you think? please. Is one allowed to follow the command, Look up, lift up your heads for you redemption draweth nigh(?) My back-ground is heavy vehicle driver, so i'm listening to you. Will all prophecies be fulfilled in the USA? or perhaps some in Canada (or China)?

Paul warned the first century Christians not to expect Jesus to return before the prophecies were fulfilled in their turn.

2 Thessalonians
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

The same thing holds true today. We cannot expect Jesus to return before the prophecies are fulfilled in their turn. The USA must first form an "image of the beast" (a church-state government). This she will do when she legislates and enforces the "mark of the beast". The rest of the world will follow suit. Everyone everywhere will decide for or against the mark at which point probation will close and the seven last plagues will be poured out. Then Jesus will arrive in the clouds of glory to take us home.

What do you think the "mark of the beast" is? And, how long do you think it will take for everyone everywhere to decide for or against it?

Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before? [Re: Mountain Man] #129273
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PS - "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." I believe we can claim this "when-then" promise when the world begins enforcing the "mark of the beast".

Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before? [Re: Mountain Man] #129284
12/01/10 06:20 PM
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The forming of an image to the beast is in Revelation. Applying it to USA is an interpretation. If the image to the beast is formed in a way which sidesteps USA, many SDA will be deceived.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before? [Re: vastergotland] #129297
12/02/10 04:33 PM
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Thomas, what is "the beast"? And, what is "the image of the beast"? Also, what is "the mark of the beast"?

Do you agree with the interpretation recorded in the book The Great Controversy, authored by Ellen White?

Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before? [Re: Mountain Man] #129519
12/10/10 04:28 PM
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Bump for Thomas.

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