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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/05/10 03:08 PM
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The amalgamation produced new species, something that does not happen naturally, but can happen by genetic engineering.
I and many others would disagree with you. New species are happening all the time. Both in reality and on paper. Have you not heard of the speciation of the house sparrow as it moved from the east to the west? Or how about Darwin's finches? As I understand it, they all came from one pair of finches, still are finches, but are different species of finches. Animals speciated, man speciated. The statement does not absolutely mean animals speciated with man.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/05/10 04:41 PM
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I agree with Kland. In college we studied the "amalgamation" statements in the SOP. We learned that some people postulated black people are an example of amalgamating men and monkeys. Such a conclusion is absurd.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/06/10 03:53 PM
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In college (SDA) I learned that the SOP passage posted above means amalgamations occurred between humans and between animals - not between humans and animals. Perhaps you did not then notice this quote: Every species of animals which God had created was preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood, there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men. {1SP 78.2} That quote makes it appear as though before the flood there was amalgamation of animals, whereas after the flood the range extended to include man in the mix with animals as well. She does not specify in which "races of men" this "may be seen." However, I have a few ideas in regards to that... The quote clearly indicates animals were mixed with humans, because amalgamation was an abominable sin, and it does not follow that it would ever have constituted "amalgamation" for one descendant of Noah to marry another--we are, after all, the same species. If a college professor was teaching that "amalgamation" of humans and humans has occurred, it would seem one of the most racist things he or she could possibly teach. (You were not clear as to how you "learned" this, and I also do not know whether this particular passage were considered, so I'm not saying you or anyone else is racist.) Blessings, Green Cochoa.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/07/10 12:38 PM
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Hmmm...I took a closer look at the earlier quote which you had addressed, and discovered it says virtually the same thing as the one I posted. So, Mike? Do you truly believe that interracial marriage constitutes the sin of "amalgamation?" kland? What do you say on this? It appears both of you were supporting the same idea here.
Keep in mind, she says that this is the sin, above all others, that brought God to the point of causing the Flood. If interracial marriage constituted "amalgamation" back then, what is it now?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/07/10 05:07 PM
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GC, are you assuming Ellen White was referring to amalgamations created unnaturally in laboratories?
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/07/10 05:27 PM
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No, I think it was a result of bestiality. Of course, no one knows what level of technology they had, and it is possible that they modified and tinkered with DNA in a laboratory. Either way, it was abominable in God's sight.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/08/10 04:51 AM
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Ha! I'm trying to erase the unspeakable image of bestiality you tossed in the mix. How did Paul put it?
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/11/10 05:15 AM
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Beastiality, even though a gross abomination and immorality, does not produce offspring thereby greatly confusing the species.
While one type of finch may mate with another type of finch and produce a new line of finches,or one type of cat may mate with another type of cat and produce a somewhat different cat, yet nature has some pretty tight laws that keep life forms reproducing after their own kind.
So, I don't believe this "amalgamation" that EGW is refering to had anything to do with mating, it had to do with genetic engineering and manipulations with genes, cells, etc.
Whatever was going on before the Flood, Ellen White called it a "base crime," and the sin above all others that brought down the divine judgment of the Flood. It confused the species It defaced the image of God She also mentions that Satan engineered undesirable plants by amalgamation using his "ingenious methods". (See 2SM 288)
Something pretty big was happening prior to the flood.
The Bible says not only was man evil, but even "all flesh" had become corrupted.
EGW writes: "Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood."
Weren't masses of strange creatures totally wiped out during the flood? Were they part of the "confused species" brought about by amalgamation? Was the world literally overrun by these creatures, many of them mammoth in size.
And what is genetic engineering doing now?
How many GMO foods are now in the market place? The soy bean, corn, tomatoes, up to 75% or more have alien genes. Pesticides have been genetically engineered into crops.
And, as has been mentioned earlier, human genes are being implanted in animal embryos. Like human brain cells into mice. They are starting to create Chimeras,
Ancient legends are filled with Chimeras type of creatures. Now most will laugh it off as "those people had great imaginations". But could it have been based on fact?
As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be....
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/11/10 11:37 AM
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If we stick to what the Bible says, the Bible clearly says that the amalgamation was between the "Sons of God" and the "Daughters of Men" and these children became "mighty men which were of old men of renown". Gn6:2-5.
According to the following verses, it seems to relate that this amalgamation increased the speed of wickedness on this earth to the point "that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". There were only 1000 years before the flood, and who knows when this amalgamation started. But to me, it looks that the offsprings of this amalgamation speeded the wickedness of man's heart. To me, this is a greather concern and impact for God in His plan to save man than the mix of species.
Probably without this sort of amalgamation, the wickedness would of increased more slowly as we are now around 5000 years after the flood and I don't think we have reached the level of wickedness that existed before the flood...yet!
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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01/11/10 02:30 PM
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Elle, are you sure you believe that? Would you believe that if a Christian man marries a worldly woman it is such an abominable sin, greater than all other sins which they committed before the flood, that it would cause God to send the flood?
Ellen White is clear that the sin of "amalgamation" ranked at about the top of the list among all the sins of the antediluvians. If that's the case, and if you claim that this type of marriage constituted the "amalgamation" issue, then for a Christian to marry a worldling is a greater sin than that of murder, homosexuality, thievery, idol worship, etc. that were practiced prior to the flood.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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