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Re: When were the disciples converted? [Re: Mountain Man] #124509
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Tom, the view I described above agrees people begin experiencing eternal life the moment they are reborn (as opposed to the moment they believe Jesus is the Son of God). Remember, evil angels believe and are lost. Also, salvation is based on faith that works by love and purifies the soul (as opposed to faith by itself or works by itself).

Re: When were the disciples converted? [Re: Mountain Man] #124511
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Originally Posted By: Tom
Being "born again" represents the transformation which takes place when one gives up the old way, the old paradigm ("me first"), exchanging it for God's way, ("agape"), captured by the phrase, "Not I, but Christ." This is evidently conversion.

What word do you use to describe the person who has progressed to obeying and observing everything Jesus commanded? I use the word converted. That is, they have completed the process of converting from the ways of the world to the ways of Jesus.

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PS - I'll be away on assignment until the end of the month. Happy camping.

Re: When were the disciples converted? [Re: Mountain Man] #124519
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Quote:
What word do you use to describe the person who has progressed to obeying and observing everything Jesus commanded?


Confused? smile

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I use the word converted. That is, they have completed the process of converting from the ways of the world to the ways of Jesus.


It sounds like you have sanctification in mind, sort of. But once one accepts Christ, one is complete. There is no higher state than being justified by faith, because being justified by faith brings one the righteousness of Christ. It does this by bringing Christ into one's heart.

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How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29. The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8. {DA 175.5}


Note the things that happens when one accepts Christ:

1.Repentance for sins.
2.The Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul.
3.The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ.
4.Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart.
5.We can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God."

It doesn't seem like anything is lacking here, does it?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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