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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: Mountain Man] #127750
09/24/10 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Thomas, yes, no one can eat their way to heaven or deserve salvation because of how they eat. However, a fully informed SDA will eventually separate themselves from the SDA church if they refuse to comply with the counsels regarding diet and health reform contained in the SOP. By the way, deliberately eating something diseased and unhealthy is a sin. Paul wrote, "He that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

So, Mike, you are a pastor arent you? When was the last time you held a sermon saying that everyone who is obese due to lack of modesty at the table, let alone at the dessert table, is a sinner?


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It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: vastergotland] #127751
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Here is something interesting from Wednesday's section:
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But perhaps in Rome it was particularly the Jewish Christians who had a hard time persuading themselves that they need no longer observe the Jewish festivals. Paul here is saying, Do as you please in this matter; the important point is not to judge those who view the matter differently from you. Some Christians, apparently, to be on the safe side, decided to observe one or more of the Jewish festivals. Paul’s counsel is, Let them do it, if they are persuaded they should.

Seems to me this is still an issue today amongst some members of the SDA Church.


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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: Daryl] #127753
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Daryl, yes, there are SDA's who believe God requires us to observe certain feast days. However, I'm not sure that's what Paul is addressing. I suspect he's referring to fasting days. Seems people weren't agreed on which day was best. It probably corresponded to the days of the week things were dedicated to pagan idols. A simple solution would have been to fast on the days things were dedicated to pagan idols. Personal, I like the solution Paul recommended.

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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: Mountain Man] #127754
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Thomas, do you think preaching a sermon on such a subject is a good idea? We always have visitors, some of them are non-SDA. It has never occurred to me preach such a message. I totally agree with the SOP on the subject of diet and sin, however, I also agree with her on the importance of preaching appropriate messages on Sabbaths when visitors are in attendance.

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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: Mountain Man] #127756
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Mike, I think the answer to your question depends on certain other qualifications. For instance, do you preach sermons on the sinfulness of meat-eating? If you do, you are already insulting the visitors and adding gluttony to the list would not be much of an issue. But if you do not preach sermons on these sins, why not? Do you really regard them as sins? Will people be lost due to your negligence of informing those entrusted to you about this issue? Maybe you have chosen not to preach on sin at all, in which case picking any one would merely make it your personal pet peeve.

What is your favourite sermon topic, by the way?


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: vastergotland] #127758
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Thomas, no, I do not use the Sabbath sermon time to slam sin. Instead, I use it to make living a victorious life in Christ seem wonderful and desirable. Every once in awhile someone criticizes me for dwelling on victorious living rather than focusing on Jesus Himself. Have you ever tried focusing on Jesus while preaching a sermon without including what Jesus was saying and doing while He was here in the flesh? Jesus didn't focus on Himself; instead, He worked very hard to help others live victoriously. That was His focus, His mission, His message. Focusing on Jesus, therefore, must necessarily include what He focused on, namely, victorious living.

PS - I talk to people about overcoming unholy habits and embracing holy ones in private or during small group discussions. Do you think that's a good idea? Or, do you think preachers should slam sin during the Sabbath sermon?

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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: Mountain Man] #127767
09/25/10 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Thomas, no, I do not use the Sabbath sermon time to slam sin. Instead, I use it to make living a victorious life in Christ seem wonderful and desirable. Every once in awhile someone criticizes me for dwelling on victorious living rather than focusing on Jesus Himself. Have you ever tried focusing on Jesus while preaching a sermon without including what Jesus was saying and doing while He was here in the flesh? Jesus didn't focus on Himself; instead, He worked very hard to help others live victoriously. That was His focus, His mission, His message. Focusing on Jesus, therefore, must necessarily include what He focused on, namely, victorious living.

PS - I talk to people about overcoming unholy habits and embracing holy ones in private or during small group discussions. Do you think that's a good idea? Or, do you think preachers should slam sin during the Sabbath sermon?
I think your approach seems sound.

I do not think Jesus teaching was exclusively on how to live victoriously, but equally to preach the good news that it is available. Also, at some point His focus became soundly set on the cross. Thus no longer merely talking about victorious living or preaching that it is now available, but actually sealing that availability in blood.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: vastergotland] #127768
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Amen! Preach it, brother.

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Re: Lesson #13 - All the Rest Is COMMENTARY [Re: Mountain Man] #127773
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Daryl, yes, there are SDA's who believe God requires us to observe certain feast days. However, I'm not sure that's what Paul is addressing. I suspect he's referring to fasting days.

I also think this is more plausible.

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