Generally the context. When John speaks of seeing a beast with 7 heads and ten horns, we know that has to be symbolic because no such critter exists.

But when he speaks of the beast's head getting wounded, we know that that could be symbolic or literal. Symbolically, the papacy was wounded and the wound was healed in 1929. Then when the prophecy met its final fulfillment, Pope John-Paul II was literally wounded and that wound was healed. And after his physical healing, Reagan healed the papacy's political wound on America's behalf by recognizing J-P II as head of church and state.
The secret is to study to show yourself approved of God a workman rightly dividing the word of truth and prayerfully seeking the aid of the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth. And to study correctly, we have to be willing to yield to the Spirit's leading. When we cling to our opinions the Spirit will finally leave us to the idols of our choosing and the light will move away from us leaving us in darkness.

Thank you MM. On the ascension year model the old king's last year runs through New Year's Day of the new year that follows his last year. Since Obama could leave office on 20 January 2013, it is possible using that model that an American President could follow him from 20 Jan 2013 until no later than 1 Jan 2014. Or if the March New Year's day is applied a post Obama President could be in office for less than three months.

Regarding Pope Benedict, when he is removed from office Pope John-Paul II (Satan impersonating him) becomes the head of the papacy.

And all this is in the context that sin is only allowed 6,000-years and the Spirit of Prophecy clearly states that the time of trouble spoken of by Daniel has begun. When America defaults on its debt and Mr.Obama is compelled to implement a monetary reform as Roosevelt did in the 30's when he abolished the gold standard, things will go faster. Remember final events will be rapid ones.


But my being faithful is not that cut and dry. By faith I see what I share. And by faith I understand that those that do not take the time to check it out will cast their shadow over the truth. That is like throwing feathers of doubt to the wind. After the wind stops blowing, it is not possible to gather all the feathers.

We may recover from the damage done by our words of doubt, but other souls might be eternally lost because of our unbelief. Yet the scriptures foretell that many will cling to the truth-bears with flatteries. I have many pastors that praise my studies and tell me to keep up the good work, but they don't lift a finger to confirm the facts and share it themselves.

That was what led James White to become so discouraged in ages past. He knew that there were people that could help with the labor that were sitting on the sidelines so to speak.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many people coming out of the woodworks with dates of th Second Coming? HC is the third this year in case you have nto been counting. Satan knows his time is short and by having many voices crying wolf, he is desensitizing people to truth. Thus as in the story of the boy that cried wolf, when the wolf was there, no one believed.

Even so Come Lord Jesus, Come
His child

Great His child. That of course is always possible. Now address the substantive part of that question. I.e., How does the book of Daniel and Revelation fulfill the prophetic indicators of the identity of the Two Witnesses in Rev 11?

I don't understand your comments about President Obama, if he leaves office 20 Jan 2013, continuing until 1 Jan 2014. How is that possible? Is George Bush still President?

How about this:

Here the two witnesses are referred to as 'these two prophets'. While the two witness are the Old and New Testements, they especially represent the prophetic portions of Daniel and Revelation. But the meaning is still broader than this.

Mark: My view is that that portion of Rev 11 was not pointedly fulfilled in the Historical fulfillment of that prophecy. Therefore as the Two Witnesses then were generally the Old and New Testament, that “prophets” specification was not pointedly seen. Nonetheless as this is still, “the Bible” and thus the “Word of God” it is synonymous with “prophets”, with ca. 25% of the Bible being those direct “prophetic words” (2 Pet 2:20, 21 - cf. Post #133870).

In the Eschatological Fulfillment, as these more pointedly represent (the mission and message of) Moses and Elijah, they are readily seen as two prophets. And actually, if it was Daniel and John were being so allusively depicted in the text as Moses and Elijah were, their prophecies could be seen as the fulfillment.

you did not understand my reply. when I set up the gmail account for Loud Cry Publishing. Loud cry was already taken. They gave me several suggestions as I recall, but it was 2007 at the time and I went with loudcry.2007....

The more I read of your replies to my postings, the more I feel like I am being attacked by the accuser of the brethren. But if the Jews of Christ's day treated Him as they did, who am I to expect any different from the members of the Church that I have worked for for so many years and supported so sacrificially?

In Bible times a king's reign was calculated one of two ways. His ascension year was his first year or he got credit for his final year in its entirety.

The ascension year method: old king dies, new king in office sometime after New Years Day. New king gets credit for entire year and on the next New Years Day, he begins his second year.

Last year method: old king dies, new king in office sometime after New Years Day. Old king gets credit for his entire last and on the next New Years Day, the new kings begins his first year.

So when a king dies after new year's day he either gets that year as his first year or he has to wait for New year's day to begin his reign. Thus with either system, if a king were to come into office on June 1 and leave office on November 20, he would not even be counted since the old king or the new king that is in office on New Year's Day would completely overshadow the short timer king.

so if Obama leaves office after New Years day the next president by one Bible standard would not be counted until he reached New years day (January 1, 2014). Or if the Hebrew Calendar was used New Years day falls on (February 11, 2013).

So depending of what New Year's day is used the length of time for the post-Obama President could be a month or about 11 months after Mr. Obama is out of office.

But since Mr. Obama is the last President identified in bible prophecy, I expect we will see more evidence of prophecy fulfilled before we reach those dates. As I read it Iran is going to attack America in the near future. And then Mr Obama will have a personality change.

You hit the nail on the head Mark.
While Daniel and John are being fulfilled right in front of our noses, many people are denying the very things that they are predicting that are coming to pass.