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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/28/11 07:26 PM
08/28/11 07:26 PM
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After reading through this, which law are we under today? Is it the Law of Moses or is it the Law of God (10 Commandments)?
Which law comes under God's Justice? Is it the Law of Moses or is it the Law of God (10 Commandments)?
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/28/11 07:37 PM
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Time for me to answer my own latest questions. It was and remains my understanding that the Law of Moses ended at Calvary, therefore, God's Justice isn't based on the Law of Moses, but is rather based on the Law of God, or more specifically His Ten Commandments. Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.
There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:
Daniel 9:10 We did not listen to you, O LORD our God, when you told us to live according to the laws which you gave us through your servants the prophets.
11 All Israel broke your laws and refused to listen to what you said. We sinned against you, and so you brought on us the curses that are written in the Law of Moses, your servant.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/28/11 08:16 PM
08/28/11 08:16 PM
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Time for me to answer my own latest questions. It was and remains my understanding that the Law of Moses ended at Calvary, therefore, God's Justice isn't based on the Law of Moses, but is rather based on the Law of God, or more specifically His Ten Commandments. Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.
There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:
Daniel 9:10 We did not listen to you, O LORD our God, when you told us to live according to the laws which you gave us through your servants the prophets.
11 All Israel broke your laws and refused to listen to what you said. We sinned against you, and so you brought on us the curses that are written in the Law of Moses, your servant.
It was never my understanding that Moses made up his own laws. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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08/28/11 10:31 PM
08/28/11 10:31 PM
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It was God who presented all the laws (Health, Ceremonial, Etc.) to Moses, but it was God Himself who wrote the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets and gave them to Moses.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/28/11 11:12 PM
08/28/11 11:12 PM
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I guess I'm not sure why the distinction between God's written law and God's spoken law causes God's spoken law to morph into the "law of Moses" which is "done away with" at the cross.
If God said it was to be removed, fine. If, however, He said it was to be a "perpetual covenant" or a "perpetual statute" or an "everlasting covenant," or like verbiage, it seems we cannot so promptly cause folk to understand that it was done away.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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08/29/11 12:11 AM
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For some strange reason Elle seems to think the Law of Moses is pertinent to her belief that nobody will be lost but will rather all be saved.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/29/11 06:47 AM
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For some strange reason Elle seems to think the Law of Moses is pertinent to her belief that nobody will be lost but will rather all be saved. Sorry for the delayed response Daryl. I think this is getting off topic, however, I appreciate your question and do believe that we need to talk about the relevancy of the Law of Moses, not only for the question of who will be lost or save, but for all doctrinal beliefs. The answer are all in the Law of Moses. To be clear on what I'm referring here is to the Pantateuch.
Last edited by Daryl F; 08/29/11 10:41 PM. Reason: As the threads were merged back together again, I removed comment and link.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Daryl]
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08/29/11 08:15 PM
08/29/11 08:15 PM
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I decided to merge the two threads back into one thread again, therefore, let us continue our discussion here in this now merged thread.
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: Elle]
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08/30/11 01:01 AM
08/30/11 01:01 AM
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Are you saying that everybody will be saved and that nobody will be lost? Daryl, I have said and implied this many times in other threads. Via my personal studies this past 1.5 year this is what I understand. But Jesus said few people find the way to life, while many find the way to destruction. Sorry if this been addressed elsewhere, but it doesn't make sense to me.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Is the Hell Doctrine depicted in the TYPE (Laws of Moses)?
[Re: asygo]
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08/31/11 12:26 AM
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Are you saying that everybody will be saved and that nobody will be lost? Daryl, I have said and implied this many times in other threads. Via my personal studies this past 1.5 year this is what I understand. But Jesus said few people find the way to life, while many find the way to destruction. Sorry if this been addressed elsewhere, but it doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what text you are referring to. Could you give me the text please.
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