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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: kland] #137035
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"But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before him." 1SP69


Green, can you find other places of where the idea of amalgamation is used? Maybe, what does amalgamation mean, and how could that be used with man and corrupting their ways.

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: kland] #137037
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Originally Posted By: kland
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"But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before him." 1SP69


Green, can you find other places of where the idea of amalgamation is used? Maybe, what does amalgamation mean, and how could that be used with man and corrupting their ways.
Short on time just now, but Ellen White uses "amalgamation" as a synonym for "mixing." I'll find quotes for you later.

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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #137040
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I think she talks about
Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: kland] #137043
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ELLEN WHITE'S USE OF THE WORD AMALGAMATION

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"Christ never planted the seeds of death in the system. Satan planted these seeds when he tempted Adam to eat of the tree of knowledge which meant disobedience to God. Not one noxious plant was placed in the Lord's great garden, but after Adam and Eve sinned, poisonous herbs sprang up....
All tares are sown by the evil one. Every noxious herb is of his sowing, and by his ingenious methods of amalgamation he has corrupted the earth with tares. {2SM 288.2}

"But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. 1SP 70

"The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood, there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men. {1SP 78.2}

"by union with the world, the character of God's people becomes tarnished, and through amalgamation with the corrupt, the fine gold becomes dim. {RH, August 23, 1892 par. 3}

"Jesus also alluded to the faith of the Samaritans being amalgamated with the worship of graven images. {2SP 144.1}

"The message given to man for these last days is not to become amalgamated with human devising. {UL 310.3}

"There is constant danger that the obedient and the disobedient in the world and in the nominal churches will become so amalgamated that the line of demarkation between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not will become confused and indistinct. {18MR 26.3}

But now the careful reader will ask --
Does the word refer to the same situation everytime it is used?

No reader would say the word "build" means the same in the following sentences even if the same author wrote them all:

He will build a house.
He builds up confidence in his listeners.
He builds his defense step by step.

Amalgation confusing species isn't the same thing as
Amalgating faith with idol worship
except that in both cases things that do not belong together were joined.

I don't think the confused species of animals that perished in the flood were a direct result of mixing faith with idol worship. Some other form of amalgamtion took place.










Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: dedication] #137050
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Thank you, dedication, for taking the time to give us the quotes and showing how the word is used. You have adeptly shown that she would use the word when speaking of "joining" things.

Here is the 1828 Webster's Dictionary definitions that show the word's meaning for her day (and as far as I know, it's still the same meaning today too).

Originally Posted By: Webster's 1828 Dictionary
AMALGAM, n. [Gr. to soften. Its usual derivation is certainly erroneous.]
1. A mixture of mercury or quicksilver with another metal; any metallic alloy, of which mercury forms an essential constituent part.
2. A mixture or compound of different things.
AMALGAMATE, v.t.
1. To mix quicksilver with another metal. Gregory uses amalgamize.
2. To mix different things, to make a compound; to unite.
AMALGAMATE, v.i. To mix or unite in an amalgam; to blend.
AMALGAMATED, pp. Mixed with quicksilver; blended.
AMALGAMATING, ppr. Mixing quicksilver with another metal; compounding.
AMALGAMATION, n.
1. The act or operation of mixing mercury with another metal.
2. The mixing or blending of different things.


So, in light of the meaning, how does this impact our understanding of Mrs. White's statements?

I noted in the above statements that Mrs. White never once mentioned the "amalgamation of Man" or the "amalgamation of beasts" without putting the two words together. She does not speak of them singularly. And, come to think of it, what exactly would it mean to "mix man?" To mix "man and beast" has a bit more significance.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


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Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #137055
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They were obviously bringing something together that wasn't supposed to be together.

Have you ever looked at the depiction of their gods? Was it merely an overactive imagination, a sense of fairy tale telling, a mask ritual -- or was there some substance to their half man half animal creatures that they worshipped as gods?

Though there was probably considerable occultic influence there as well.

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: dedication] #137057
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Originally Posted By: dedication
They were obviously bringing something together that wasn't supposed to be together.

Have you ever looked at the depiction of their gods? Was it merely an overactive imagination, a sense of fairy tale telling, a mask ritual -- or was there some substance to their half man half animal creatures that they worshipped as gods?

Though there was probably considerable occultic influence there as well.



I don't know that we have any such depictions from _before_ the Flood. God effectively erased that civilization. Even their remains are mostly converted to coal and oil.

Carbon dating is wildly inaccurate that far back for several sound scientific reasons.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #137064
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
So, in light of the meaning, how does this impact our understanding of Mrs. White's statements?
So it's quite obvious Ellen White meant to mean that man and animals were contaminated with mercury? laugh

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: Green Cochoa] #137065
10/25/11 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

Carbon dating is wildly inaccurate that far back for several sound scientific reasons.
Wow, some promote it being valid for almost 52,000 years and it's wildly inaccurate for approximately 4,000?

Re: Ellen White & Amalgamation of Man and Beast [Re: dedication] #137066
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Originally Posted By: dedication

I don't think the confused species of animals that perished in the flood were a direct result of mixing faith with idol worship. Some other form of amalgamtion took place
Were we talking about man or animals?

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