Ellie, when Scripture uses the word "ALL", "WHOLE" & "WORLD" - depending on the context...
...Simply means "some" OF all parts.


i.e.


John 12:19
The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him

The "world" certainly didn't follow Jesus...
...But SOME of the total exposed to Jesus did.




Rev 12: 9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the WHOLE world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

Satan didn't ( if all or even some are to be saved )...
...Deceive the WHOLE world.
...Some of all or ALL of all ( as you think ) are not fooled.


Luke 2:1
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.

Caesar indeed controlled the world that was known at that time...
...However Ceasar didn't have the power to tax the WHOLE or ALL the world.
...There were societies at that time, nations - that had never heard of "Caesar".

So, ya see for this one I don't even need to rely on Sock Puppet....
...The so called Bible answers it plainly.

I agree that at times it can be an expression. This passage appears to be such a situation. I say appears because I haven't pondered and studied in detail this passage.

It's the same type of expression with us when we say "He's in the world".


Here I disagree with you for Satan did deceive the whole world including all those that are the firstfruits to be ressurected. Everyone were in darkness and all needs to be given light to see. Jesus, the Word of G-d, is that light.


Here they didn’t use Kosmos as the two other examples above. They used another word "oikoumene" which primary meaning is "land".

In John 12:19 and Rev12;9 and most other NT English “world” translation(186 occurences) use the word Kosmos which Strong has define as followed: “orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)).”
I already know you don’t need Sock Puppet for you have Jesus who is the one to give you the interpretation (1Jn 2:27).

Regarding to your point, its just passing wind. There’s nothing concrete there. Feel free to look closer on the quotes provided and then we can look at the context and discuss on something more substantial.

Yes, and what's your point?

Elle,

What's my point?

I posted what my point was in my very next post after the one you quoted in your previous post to this one.

As I am quoting my next post here, you can read that post again here.

Well, that Hebrew word is “shamad” which true meaning is “to desolate” also translated as plucked down, overthrow, etc….

If you read Hosea 2, the Lord explains how he will “destroy” us. For sure we all die the first death, but death for the Lord is only a sleep for He can bring to life anything. There’s nothing, not even death that can separate us from the Love of G-d. Hosea 2 show very clearly that the Lord needs to destroy us before we are in a disposition to be able to hear Him and to need Him. Destruction is part of the process for us to “learn Righteousness”.

I agree the lake of fire(baptism of fire = laver = the molten laver in the sanctuary) is the second death which is a spiritual death not a physical death. The lost cannot die the 1st(physical) death a second time which would contradict Heb 9:27.

Also, death was destroy(Rev 20:14) just prior to the people cast in the lake of fire.

So scripturly it is not possible for anyone to die the 1st(physical) death a second time in the lake of fire.

Also, remember that the word “destroy” both in the OT(h6, abad) and the NT(g622 apollumi) means differently than what you, and the world has defined. This is the true essence of the word “destroy” :

Ps 119:176 “I have gone astray like a lost lost (abad) sheep; seek thy servant;”

Jer 50:6 “My people hath been lost (abad) sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away [on] the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.”

Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost (apollumi).

Luk 15:9 “And when she hath found [it], she calleth [her] friends and [her] neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost (apollumi).

Luk 15:24 “For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost (apollumi), and is found. And they began to be merry. »

What was destroyed(abad, apollumi) in Jesus parable all are found.

Then Jesus said of himself “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost(apollumi =destroyed).”

I've read it, I still don't see your point. Sorry. If there some Biblical texts with a specific point you want to bring forth into this discussion, that would help me know exactly what you are thinking of.

I will quote one of the more clear things that EGW said in relation to the Bible references she also referred to.


Ellen White in commenting on these two Bible references states that the wicked "sink into hopeless, eternal oblivion."

Can't get more clearer than that.

The second death is eternal oblivion.

There isn't any third or whatever resurrection from this second death.

No further comments regarding what I quoted and commented on?

The following refers to "all flesh" in the sense of the saved, but doesn't include those described as "dead bodies":

The words "all flesh" obviously refers to all the redeemed, but not to all humanity.

The words "dead bodies" obviously refers to all the lost.

John 3:16 says that "whosoever believeth in Him should not perish", which tells me using KJV of the English language that those who believeth not in Him should perish.