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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
[Re: JAK]
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04/09/13 04:57 PM
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JAK, you may be right. However, I prefer to believe the Holy Spirit managed the outcome of every detail and particular. I would not do well believing otherwise. There's too much uncertainty and ambiguity in the world to include the Bible in the mix. I need at least one rock solid anchor to do life and believing "all scripture" is inspired is needful for me.
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/09/13 05:03 PM
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JAK, you may be right. However, I prefer to believe the Holy Spirit managed the outcome of every detail and particular. I would not do well believing otherwise. There's too much uncertainty and ambiguity in the world to include the Bible in the mix. I need at least one rock solid anchor to do life and believing "all scripture" is inspired is needful for me. I can live with that. I, too, tie my life to God's Word, but in a different way.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/09/13 09:32 PM
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This is a misinterpretation of the situation. I am not claiming people have authority over Scripture. We do, however, have our own authority to decide what it is that we will take as authoritative. In other words, humanity has free will. WE can decide.
The entire Great Controversy hinges on this point:
To WHOM will WE submit OUR God-given authority?
Do YOU, Rosangela, decide for humanity what is authoritative, and what the correct interpretation of Scripture is?
Perhaps it's Mountain Man who decides.
Maybe it's Daryl. After all, he runs this forum.
Or perhaps it's the Pope. After all, 2.2 billion Catholics can't be wrong.
Do you get my point? Each individual decides for themselves who they will submit their authoity to. This makes THEM the ultimate authority.
As I've stated, I choose to submit my authority and my will and desires to God. JAK, let's go back to Adam and Eve. Who decides what is right and what is wrong? God does (this is authority). Who decides if they will follow what is right or not? Human beings (this is free will). Eve thought that she could decide what is right and what is wrong, but this didn't make right what she thought was right.
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/09/13 11:31 PM
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JAK, let's go back to Adam and Eve. Who decides what is right and what is wrong? God does (this is authority). Um.....true...ish. While God IS the ultimate authority, He communicates his..um.."view" of right and wrong in his word (Scripture), which leaves a lot of latitude in interpretation. An example of such would be the 6th commandment, translated in the KJV as "Thou shalt not kill." Does this mean: A. All life is sacred and you should not kill any living thing. This includes all Humans, animals, fish, birds, bugs etc. B. Animals, fish, birds, etc. are OK, but don't kill humans. C. Don't kill humans, unless its a war or self defence, etc. D. Don't kill humans unless God tells you to. E. Don't murder humans. F. Don't ever kill a human being for any reason. G. Add your own interpretation. Who decides if they will follow what is right or not? Human beings (this is free will). Eve thought that she could decide what is right and what is wrong, but this didn't make right what she thought was right. I'm not sure what Adam and Eve have to do with anything in this discussion.
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/10/13 10:13 AM
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Quite a bit depends on these definitions.
Abortion? Whose life is primarily at stake? In the earlier days SDA used the definition of a fetus from the laws of Moses. Is this sufficient? But what is the result if everything is left to private interpretation?
Why are the writings of a prophet not like a dictionary where we can find the details of how to solve every question that might arise in our lives?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/10/13 02:24 PM
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The existence of erroneous facts do not prove they are uninspired or unsupervised. They didn't become a part of the Bible against God's will. He permitted them thus demonstrating His approval and their inspiration - inspired discrepancies. Not sure what erroneous facts you are talking about. "their inspiration" "Their" meaning the Bible writers or the erroneous facts? If erroneous facts, are you saying God inspired erroneous facts?! Maybe you should say what you mean by "inspired".
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/10/13 03:21 PM
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There are quite a few minor discrepancies in the Bible. Most notable is Jesus' prediction of Peter's denial. Did Matthew, Luke, and John record it incorrectly against God's will? Or, did the Holy Spirit permit it. I believe He permitted it, which, in my mind, means He was in control. He could have prevented it, but He didn't. He allowed it. Thus, it is inspired (whatever the Holy Spirit does is inspired). The erroneous facts are not inspired. The fact the Holy Spirit permitted it to be a part of the Bible is what is inspired.
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/11/13 01:08 AM
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An example of such would be the 6th commandment, translated in the KJV as "Thou shalt not kill." Does this mean:
A. All life is sacred and you should not kill any living thing. This includes all Humans, animals, fish, birds, bugs etc.
B. Animals, fish, birds, etc. are OK, but don't kill humans.
C. Don't kill humans, unless its a war or self defence, etc.
D. Don't kill humans unless God tells you to.
E. Don't murder humans.
F. Don't ever kill a human being for any reason.
G. Add your own interpretation. The Word of God should be used to interpret itself. A. No, because God permitted man to kill animals for sacrifices/food. B and C. No. See D. D. Yes. E. See D. F. No, because of D. G. No, because the Word of God interprets itself. R: Who decides if they will follow what is right or not? Human beings (this is free will). Eve thought that she could decide what is right and what is wrong, but this didn't make right what she thought was right.
J: I'm not sure what Adam and Eve have to do with anything in this discussion. They demonstrate that human beings aren't the authority. They can't decide what is right or wrong, what is truth and what isn't.
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/11/13 01:24 AM
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An example of such would be the 6th commandment, translated in the KJV as "Thou shalt not kill." Does this mean:
A. All life is sacred and you should not kill any living thing. This includes all Humans, animals, fish, birds, bugs etc.
B. Animals, fish, birds, etc. are OK, but don't kill humans.
C. Don't kill humans, unless its a war or self defence, etc.
D. Don't kill humans unless God tells you to.
E. Don't murder humans.
F. Don't ever kill a human being for any reason.
G. Add your own interpretation. The Word of God should be used to interpret itself. A. No, because God permitted man to kill animals for sacrifices/food. B and C. No. See D. D. Yes. E. See D. F. No, because of D. G. No, because the Word of God interprets itself. Roseangela, the very act of anwering my questions makes YOU the authority!!! That's what I'm trying to say.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Why or why not accept Mrs. White as a prophet?
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04/11/13 02:20 AM
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JAK, does it matter that Rosangela cited the word of God to answer your questions?
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