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Re: The coming April 2015 Tetrad
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09/29/15 06:52 PM
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Regarding this September eclipse, isn't it supposed to fall on a Jewish feast day? Hmmmm..... A full moon always fall on the 14 or 15 days after the new moon (dark - no sliver). http://fullmooncalendar.net/ The Feast of Tabernacle start on the 15th of the 7th month. So it should of worked if you count from the new moon. If you count from the first sliver...then at times the feast would begin 1 day or 2 days after the full moon. Passover is always on the 14th of the first month...doesn't the Bible say there was also a blood moon on the day He died? https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-chris...he-crucifixion/
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Re: The coming April 2015 Tetrad
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09/30/15 04:39 PM
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(Interesting, your calendar reference is a sunday keeping calendar) And my question was regarding the marketing of the book, 4 blood moons, saying it was on the Jewish feast days. I'm saying the whole thing was a marketing fraud, a ploy to sell books. Once people realize it wasn't a tetrad, it didn't fall on the Jewish feast days, it doesn't matter because the book has been sold, and the authors will be promoting to the next sales gimmick. So the question is, do you consider the Feast of Tabernacle to start on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday? No, neither does answersingenesis: However, there is considerable doubt that this interpretation is correct, because this eclipse was far from total, and the moon rose over Jerusalem after maximum eclipse. ... Furthermore, the context of Peter’s quotation of Joel’s prophecy was to explain the miracle of how people from various parts of the world were able to understand in their own languages what Galileans were saying (Acts 2:4–13). This was preceded by the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1–4).
And did you think this eclipse in any way remind you of "blood"? It would be hard to call it "red". Maybe "faintly orange".
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Re: The coming April 2015 Tetrad
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10/03/15 07:54 PM
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(Interesting, your calendar reference is a Sunday keeping calendar) ??? What calendar do you think I’m referencing? And my question was regarding the marketing of the book, 4 blood moons, saying it was on the Jewish feast days. I'm saying the whole thing was a marketing fraud, a ploy to sell books. Once people realize it wasn't a tetrad, it didn't fall on the Jewish feast days, it doesn't matter because the book has been sold, and the authors will be promoting to the next sales gimmick. I don't know what book you are talking about, but for sure many people has put their own interpretation to these astrological events for many being unbelievers do not understand their meaning nor have any clue what the Lord is doing. The "believers" living during the time of Jesus didn't understand the astrological signs that accompanied Jesus’ birth and death neither. So I expect history to repeat again with the believers of today not understanding the tetrad or even noticing other astrological signs that have recently past announcing Jesus 2nd coming. So the question is, do you consider the Feast of Tabernacle to start on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday? 5 years ago(or more ?) when I started to keep the feasts I would of went with the Karaite Feast Calendar that is determined by the sighting of the first crescent ; thus they witness the first crescent on Sept 15th which brings the first day of Tabernacle on Wednesday(which started Tuesday evening). the New Moon of Yom Teruah Sighted Biblical feast of Yom Teruah begins Sep 15 at sunset with sighting of new moon in Israel. On Tuesday September 15, 2015 the new moon marking the beginning of the Biblical feast of Yom Teruah was sighted from Israel: *from Kiryat Ata by Yoel Halevi at 6:45 pm; *from the Mount of Olives by Nehemia Gordon, Yitzchak Heckman, Sharne Bloem, and several others starting at 6:54 pm; *from Rechavia in Jerusalem by Devorah Gordon at 6:55 and by Gil Ashendorf at 6:56 pm; *from Jaffa Gate, Jerusalem by Charlotte Townsend at around 7:10 pm. I took the photo at the top of this message of the new moon of Yom Teruah over the Old City from the lookout on the Mount of Olives. More photos of today's new moon are posted at: http://www.facebook.com/NehemiaGordonBased on the sighting of the new moon on Sep 15 the Biblical dates for the holidays will be as follows: Yom Teruah: sunset Sep 15 to sunset Sep 16 Yom Kippur: sunset Sep 24 to sunset Sep 25 Sukkot Day 1: sunset Sep 29 to sunset Sep 30 Shemini Atzeret: sunset Oct 6 to sunset Oct 7. Yom Teruah Sameach! Happy Day of Shouting! Nehemia Gordon Jerusalem, Israe This sighting of the first crescent occur 3 days after the dark moon(or new moon) which was on Sept 12. The full moon is 14 or 15 days after the dark moon not more or not less. My understanding is it is possible to see the first crescent by the naked eye 16 hours after the dark moon but the chances of this is very low. I couldn’t find some data showing the probability curve of the sighting within 3 days. The probability is higher to see it 2 or 3 days after the new moon. Thus to have the full moon to coincide with Passover(which is the 14th day of the first month) or on the first day of Tabernacle(the 15th day of the 7th day) by starting the month with the sighting of the first crescent is very low. But it can happen. Now, we do understand that we live under the New Covenant and not the Old, meaning we now depend on Jesus to tells us(the body of believers that can hear His voice) when the year/months starts. I have spoken about that with you in other discussion despite you made known you didn’t agree. This is what I currently believe and follow whatever time table they have received from above and watch for the events the Lord will coordinate. This year they have made the Jubilee declaration in the court of heaven on the day of atonement (Sept 23) and the first day of Tabernacle started at sundown on Sunday when the full blood moon occur. No, neither does answersingenesis: I provided that link because it was on the first page of a google list talking about the subject. Regardless of his opinion by which I do not agree with, he does give us the scriptures references and we can evaluate if his arguments are solid. Before viewing answergenesis' two points you quoted … my only purpose I brought up Jesus death in this discussion is that we do know that He died on Passover (14th of the 1st month) by which two astrological occur: the sun was darkened by noon till 3pm, and their was a lunar eclipse starting at 3pm that was seen at sunset. So we have Matthew, Mark, Luke and other early writings that accounted for the unusual darkness that came plus NASA’s data showing us that there was a lunar eclipse that year at Passover. My point : So this event does establish that lunar eclipse can happen on a Jewish Passover (the 14th of the month). However, there is considerable doubt that this interpretation is correct, because this eclipse was far from total, and the moon rose over Jerusalem after maximum eclipse. To me, having a partial eclipse perfectly reflect the nature of the event. Jesus’ death was a partial fulfillment of the feasts and of Joel 2 for the full fulfillment is to come at the time of the fulfillment of Tabernacle. Tabernacle is the climax and end goal of the feasts. Meaning that the manifestation of the Sons of God, is the grand event that the whole creation is waiting and groaning for. (Rom 8:19) So it is interesting that this Tabernacle eclipse was total. Furthermore, the context of Peter’s quotation of Joel’s prophecy was to explain the miracle of how people from various parts of the world were able to understand in their own languages what Galileans were saying (Acts 2:4–13). This was preceded by the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1–4). It is true Peter said this after they just received the Holy Spirit in the upper room, however he was linking the signs of Joel 2 to the signs they had all witnessed 50 days prior by saying in v. 20. “ The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood” his conclusion in v 22 ” Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know”. It can’t be more straight than that. Peter was referring to Jesus’ death by which was accompanied with these two astrological signs besides all the other “wonders” like earthquake and the veil being ripped. Pentecost was not marked by these astrological signs …. it was only Passover that was. And did you think this eclipse in any way remind you of "blood"? It would be hard to call it "red". Maybe "faintly orange". Are you assuming that a partial eclipse have less of a red color? Or that any lunar eclipse (including full eclipse) does not appear blood red to you? If the later….does the Lord need to paint the moon with actual blood for you to call it a “blood moon”? It’s just a reference of the unusual color whether it be orange or more reddish. Concerning partial eclipse, I’ve seen pictures of some and they can appear as red (or as orange) as the full eclipse.
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Re: The coming April 2015 Tetrad
[Re: Elle]
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10/06/15 09:08 PM
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(Interesting, your calendar reference is a Sunday keeping calendar) ??? What calendar do you think I’m referencing? The one you gave in your link. And my question was regarding the marketing of the book, 4 blood moons, saying it was on the Jewish feast days. I'm saying the whole thing was a marketing fraud, a ploy to sell books. Once people realize it wasn't a tetrad, it didn't fall on the Jewish feast days, it doesn't matter because the book has been sold, and the authors will be promoting to the next sales gimmick. I don't know what book you are talking about, Uh... 4 blood moons. So I expect history to repeat again with the believers of today not understanding the tetrad or even noticing other astrological signs that have recently past announcing Jesus 2nd coming.
Ok, you say there was a tetrad. The book made a big deal about it falling on Jewish feast days. What do you make of it? Now, we do understand that we live under the New Covenant and not the Old, meaning we now depend on Jesus to tells us(the body of believers that can hear His voice) when the year/months starts. I have spoken about that with you in other discussion despite you made known you didn’t agree.
This is new to me. This is what I currently believe and follow whatever time table they have received from above and watch for the events the Lord will coordinate.
"They"? As in, you are not of "the body of believers"? Who are "they" and are there more than one "they" with differing views? This year they have made the Jubilee declaration in the court of heaven on the day of atonement (Sept 23) and the first day of Tabernacle started at sundown on Sunday when the full blood moon occur.
"They" have access to the court of heaven? How do you know these "they" are the correct "they"? No, neither does answersingenesis: I provided that link because it was on the first page of a google list talking about the subject. Regardless of his opinion by which I do not agree with, he does give us the scriptures references and we can evaluate if his arguments are solid. But you said, "doesn't the Bible say there was also a blood moon on the day He died? https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-chris...he-crucifixion/" If AnswersInGenesis doesn't support the Bible saying there was a blood moon on the day He died, then doesn't that seem very strange for you to say that and then give their link? Before viewing answergenesis' two points you quoted … my only purpose I brought up Jesus death in this discussion is that we do know that He died on Passover (14th of the 1st month) by which two astrological occur: the sun was darkened by noon till 3pm, and their was a lunar eclipse starting at 3pm that was seen at sunset.
No. You have not established that. So we have Matthew, Mark, Luke and other early writings that accounted for the unusual darkness that came plus NASA’s data showing us that there was a lunar eclipse that year at Passover.
I suppose you know beyond a doubt the year Christ died? However, there is considerable doubt that this interpretation is correct, because this eclipse was far from total, and the moon rose over Jerusalem after maximum eclipse. To me, having a partial eclipse perfectly.... Elle, you said, "doesn't the Bible say there was also a blood moon on the day He died?" What do you define as a "blood" moon? And did you think this eclipse in any way remind you of "blood"? It would be hard to call it "red". Maybe "faintly orange". Are you assuming that a partial eclipse have less of a red color? Yes. Read your link, please. Or that any lunar eclipse (including full eclipse) does not appear blood red to you?
Still waiting for one. If the later….does the Lord need to paint the moon with actual blood for you to call it a “blood moon”?
Elle, the eclipse of April was only a faint grayish shadow. Again, what is your definition of "blood" moon? It’s just a reference of the unusual color whether it be orange or more reddish. Concerning partial eclipse, I’ve seen pictures of some and they can appear as red (or as orange) as the full eclipse.
There may or may not be some. But the last ones were not. They weren't even unusual color. In fact, a normal full moon rising is more orange than it was. Maybe you need to redefine your "blood" to mean "lack of color" or "faded"?
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