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Adventism brought front and center.... #177691
10/31/15 10:20 AM
10/31/15 10:20 AM
Rick H  Offline OP
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I knew it would come, but the manner and swiftness was still a shock and left me stunned, as even media sources who don't touch anything to do with God or religion were forced to address this. We have been brought up for all the world to see. the time has come, are we ready....

"Having lost his Republican frontrunner status to Ben Carson, presidential candidate Donald Trump sought to compare his Presbyterian faith with that of his rival's Seventh-Day Adventist affiliation.

At a campaign rally in Jacksonville, Florida, on Saturday, Trump said, "I love Iowa. And, look, I don't have to say it, I'm Presbyterian. Can you believe it? Nobody believes I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian."

Trump added, according to The Washington Post, "Boy, that's down the middle of the road folks, in all fairness. I mean, Seventh-day Adventist, I don't know about. I just don't know about."

Asked about his intention, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks later said, "I think the remark speaks for itself."

Last week's Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll showed Carson at 28 percent, leading Trump, a billionaire businessman, by 9 percentage points, with the rest of candidates trailing far behind.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-presbyterian-ben-carson-seventh-day-adventists-148463/#Aurq85kGjlqiWdpj.99"

And its being commented on and Adventism discussed in many media sources. "Donald Trump last Saturday (Oct. 24) delivered a oblique judgment of the neurosurgeon’s faith:

“I’m Presbyterian, boy, that’s down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. I mean, Seventh-day Adventist, I don’t know about. I just don’t know about.”

In painting a religion as unknown, Trump seemed to suggest there must be something amiss about Carson’s faith. Carson has credited his Christian faith, and Adventism in particular, for shaping his worldview and contributing to his success in life.

Trump probably isn’t alone in not knowing much, or anything, about the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a Christian movement organized 152 years ago in Battle Creek, Mich., which claims 19 million members around the world, of which a little more than one million live in the U.S.

But the church of Carson’s choice — and, since 1999, mine — has already touched the lives of multiple millions, even if they don’t realize it.

Did you have cereal for breakfast? Thank W.K. Kellogg, who along with his brother, physician John Harvey Kellogg, adopted health principles promoted by Ellen G. White, a pioneering co-founder of the Adventist movement. White advocated for a vegetarian diet, and it was the Kelloggs who pressed corn into flakes that could be served with (preferably soy) milk for breakfast. (Until he entered the presidential race, Carson was a director of the Kellogg company.)
http://www.religionnews.com/2015/10/26/b...ife-commentary/

"Does Donald Trump think Ben Carson is not a Christian?...Is Donald Trump implicitly questioning whether Ben Carson is a Christian?He says he isn’t. But if not, why raise the issue of Dr. Carson’s Seventh-day Adventist faith at all?..."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/De...Christian-video

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177692
10/31/15 10:22 AM
10/31/15 10:22 AM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Seventh Day Adventism seems to be a enigma to many Americans, here is more on how we are viewed...

"Harvard Divinity School Professor David Holland told CBS News that there is "considerable wariness" toward Seventh Day Adventism but not to the degree that a Mormon candidate would face.

"Theologically, Seventh Day Adventism tends to be a bit closer to mainstream Christianity," Holland said.

Seventh Day Adventism is a branch of Christianity that developed in the second half of the 19th Century as an offshoot of the "Millerites," a group of Christians expecting the return of Jesus Christ to Earth in 1844. When Jesus did not return, a Millerite follower named Ellen White claimed to have prophetic visions that helped explain "The Great Disappointment" and served as the basis of Seventh Day Adventism. One of the church's distinguishing features is that it holds Saturday as the Sabbath, rather than Sunday as other branches of Christianity.

"I think for a lot of us, we're not real familiar with the tenets of that faith, but it's a faith that is Biblically driven, and there's nothing odd about it," Steve Scheffler, an Iowa Republican National Committeeman and president of the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition (IFFC), told CBS News.

Certainly, when Iowa voters say they like Carson's values, they're considering his faith, Scheffler said -- how could they not? "If a person has a deep religious faith, it tends to mold their political thinking," he said.

Scheffler stressed, however, that voters also like Carson's willingness to take a principled stand for his beliefs. He cited Carson's remarks that he doesn't view the religion of Islam as compatible with American democracy.

"He's not willing to buckle to the political elites within both parties and the press when he thinks he's right," Scheffler said.

Indeed, last week's Des Moines Register poll asked likely GOP caucus-goers whether or not they thought Carson's statement about a potential Muslim president was an "attractive" comment -- 43 percent called it "very attractive," while 30 percent said it was "mostly attractive."

In fact, Carson's statements about Islam could be interpreted as out of step with the philosophy of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which has historically stressed the importance of the separation of church and state.

In the religion's early days, there were many states that had laws prohibiting work on Sunday. Many Seventh Day Adventists were jailed and faced a degree of persecution because they didn't recognize the Sunday Sabbath, Holland explained.

"From very early on, they were very sensitive to the power of the state," he said. "Ellen White was quite outspoken on this topic and declared that the union of religious and political power would be one of the signs the world was coming to an end."

When Carson announced his 2016 candidacy in May, the Seventh Day Adventist church released an official statement stressing that the church "has a longstanding position of not supporting or opposing any candidate for elected office... based both on our historical position of separation of church and state."

The statement also noted, "The church has worked diligently to protect the religious rights of all people of faith, no matter what their denominational affiliation."

Now that Carson is gaining ground in the polls, voters may have more questions about his faith -- particularly as opponents like Trump call them into question. Goldford noted, however, that Carson brought the scrutiny upon himself by stressing his religious values on the campaign trail."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-ben-carsons-seventh-day-adventist-faith-has-helped-his-campaign/

I found site after site explaining Adventist truths to those who were truly seeking to find out more, just amazing.

Last edited by Rick H; 10/31/15 10:51 AM.
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177805
11/06/15 04:24 PM
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Very interesting.

Thank you for sharing that with us.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177811
11/06/15 08:00 PM
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Could all of this sudden public awareness of Seventh Day Adventism be a precursor to the "strong voice" of the Revelation 18 Angel?


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177812
11/06/15 08:00 PM
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Just saw this article. Well, it looks like Ben was just found lying.

Ben Carson Admits His "Inspirational" West Point Scholarship Story Was Entirely Made Up

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06...s-entirely-made

11/06/2015

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Having surged to the lead (according to some polls) in the GOP presidential nominee race, Ben Carson may have a problem. As Politico reports, Carson's campaign on Friday admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story (his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point) was fabricated. The details are stunning as the big lie (something Hillary would be proud of) has been maintained for years, but his PR people are spinning like crazy...

The U.S. Military Academy at West Point has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

But, as Politico details, West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

“In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process) then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.

“Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,” campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”

“He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett went on. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”
This admission comes as serious questions about other points of fact in Carson’s personal narrative are questioned, including the seminal episode in which he claimed to have attempted to stab a close friend.

Similarly, details have emerged that cast doubt on the nature of Carson’s encounter with one of the most prominent military men of that era.


Blessings
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177813
11/06/15 08:22 PM
11/06/15 08:22 PM
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Mr. Carson believes the egyptian pyramids were built to store the seven years of grain from Pharoh's dream as interpreted by Joseph.

I have never heard this theory before. Is it possible?

I thought Pharoh only had seven plentiful years to prepare for the great famine?
Didn't the pyramids take decades to construct?
Aren't they mostly solid with a few passages and chambers?
Where would the grain go?




http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/ben-carson-pyramids-for-grain-not-pharaohs-1.3306443



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177817
11/06/15 10:24 PM
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I believe Dr. Carson is incorrect on the pyramids. He's simply ill-informed. He'll have an opportunity, perhaps, to show his humility in adjusting his view as he is enlightened by those more knowledgeable about the construction of the pyramids. It is true that the pyramids have been proven to store and preserve excellent seed samples of grains, but the quantities that would have been required to feed a nation for seven years would not have been accommodated by the pyramids as we know them today. It is possible that more space was available in other pyramids that no longer exist and which may have been more quickly erected, but this would enter into the realm of speculation.

As for a scholarship to West Point, I shouldn't think it is too difficult to get one. I was given one after taking the ASVAB test in my junior year of high school. I didn't want to go there, however, for I realized it likely entailed a commitment to the armed forces for a period of time, and along with that, likely Sabbath problems. Nevertheless, I received many letters from West Point trying to attract me there. Apparently, my math and logic skills were such as would have made me attractive to their cryptology units--at least, that is my guess. Regardless, what kind of scholarship is it when it comes with strings attached? As I didn't view myself to be so deserving of a full scholarship, I took it as something of a ruse to get people to enlist.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Green Cochoa] #177819
11/06/15 11:22 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised that they are giving scholarships to West Point to entised brilliant people into serving the military Green.

I was reading some more comments about this and it wouldn't surprise me also that mainstream Media(MSM) is the one lying by twisting things around so that the people would loose trust in him in thinking that Ben is a lyer. The thing is people are very gullible and many still believe in everything that MSM says and are unaware that MSM is Mystery Babylon greatest tool to control the sheeple.


Blessings
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #177820
11/07/15 12:13 AM
11/07/15 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: l
Ben Carson Admits His "Inspirational" West Point Scholarship Story Was Entirely Made Up

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06...s-entirely-made


Ah - not so fast. Check your political agenda...

NO - CARSON DID NOT LIE

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: APL] #177821
11/07/15 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: l
Ben Carson Admits His "Inspirational" West Point Scholarship Story Was Entirely Made Up

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-06...s-entirely-made


Ah - not so fast. Check your political agenda...

NO - CARSON DID NOT LIE

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro


Thank you, APL. I wonder if back at home in the states (unfortunately well beyond my reach at present) I have any of those West Point letters still. I'm the type that likes to keep such things as mementos at times, but I'm not sure if I might have thrown them away as I had no interest in a military career either. In any case, I believe I recall the language of "full scholarship" being offered to me in them. I think it's the way they present themselves at West Point, trying to attract people.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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