When we who are spiritually discerning, see the work of the Holy Spirit in Gods people or the fruit/truth that comes out from them, we recognize it as God leading and whether it is a prophet, a leader or just a God fearing member, we know the source.

The Bible as Ellen White made clear, is the unshakeable standard by which all truth must be compared, and if does not match up, we must reject it..

Isaiah 8:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Elle : I didn't want to start this discussion. ProdigalOne, who is new here and doesn't know me nor my position, had went way off-topic in a discussion and I have answered his numerous posts & comments. Then after a few pages I have ask him kindly to start another discussion if he wanted to go further into this off-topic to understanding my position. He did not but preferred to continue sending me warnings in that discussion..."

ProdigalOne:Elle, I do not regret going off of topic previously. When I see error being presented as truth, I have no choice, but to speak. No matter what forum, or what the purported topic, we are told to-

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine..."2Timothy 4:2,3

Elle, it is apparent that you have already reached the point where you "will not endure sound doctrine". Still, I must try.

Please, hear the words of God's Prophet, they were written for you...

If you lose confidence in the Testimonies you will drift away from Bible truth. I have been fearful that many would take a questioning, doubting position, and in my distress for your souls I would warn you. How many will heed the warning? Testimonies for the Church 5:672-680

God's redeemed
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The Lost:
Rev. 9:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19:21 And the rest were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
20:5 And the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

shouldn't we as a Church take up our Christian duty in canonizing all of EGW's writings?

By the way Elle, while we are on the topic of "misrepresenting" and "false witness". I'm wondering when you are going to change your profile to match your actual beliefs?

On your profile page, you claim to be a Seventh Day Adventist.
This is clearly not true!

The following is part of a comment I posted on your "Should We Quote EGW?" thread.

You did not reply to me there, perhaps you will do so here?


"Of course, I'm sure you realize that occasionally attending a Seventh Day Adventist Church does not make you a Seventh Day Adventist, anymore than spending time with Christians would qualify as salvation. It is a matter of matching the definition of a Seventh Day Adventist. In this case one must be in agreement with our Fundamental Beliefs. I know back in the eighties, agreement with the Fundamental Beliefs was a requirement for being a baptized member. To my knowledge, this has not changed.

I have just looked over the 28 Fundamental Beliefs with what I have gathered is your doctrinal system in mind. It is now apparent to me that you are not a Seventh Day Adventist. I do apologize for assuming you were.

Here are some of the doctrinal differences you appear to have with the Seventh Day Adventist Church:


Fundamental Belief #18 - Gift of Prophesy

Fundamental Belief #20 - Sabbath

Fundamental Belief #27 - Millenium In Heaven

Please forgive me if I have this wrong as I am not certain about your views on salvation. From what I have seen in some of your other discussions, you appear to believe that everyone will eventually be saved? This conflicts with Fundamental Belief #10 - Experience of Salvation."


I do hope that you decide to rectify your profile's false claim of being a Seventh Day Adventist, Elle. After all, misrepresenting one's faith is one of the worst forms of false witness.

According to the evangelical view of Deut. 18:22, Abraham can not be a prophet of God and Abraham's seed can't be promised from God! They don't have any idea what they are talking about ... I hope I was clear.

Psalm 105:14-15, in referring to the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, urged, "do my prophets no harm." Many others could be included in this list of those who exercised this gift prior to the days of Samuel, including Moses, Aaron, Miriam ( Exod 15:20 ), Eldad, Medad, the seventy elders ( Num 11:24-29 ), Balaam (Num. 21-24), Deborah ( Judges 4:4 ), and Minoah and his wife ( Judges 13:3 Judges 13:10 Judges 13:21 ).

1. If you enforced the 28FB to define what constitute a SDA member, you will probably would have to ex-communicate 50% of the attending members or 90%+ of members on the registry.

I had written this in another post as well, But, I thought it would fit here as well. It is a Biblical example of the principle espoused in Deuteronomy 18:22.


Lately, it seems to have come in vogue to proclaim that God's prophets aren't infallible. Even though this is true, most people really don't realize what this means.

Stephen Bohr used this argument to disagree with Ellen White and show what he thought was true contrary to the writings of Ellen White. But, he handled it all wrong.

We must remember what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 18:22. Let me say this right up front; The evangelical view of this verse is a cult teaching. Their view literally attacks God's plan of salvation and leads those who follow this view to destruction.

The Bible gives us an example of how this principle works in Deuteronomy 18:22 works. We see this in the life of Abraham and Sarah. Remember, God made a promise to Abraham that Abraham's descendants would be like the sand of the sea. The Messiah was to come as his descendent to save mankind from their sins.

But, Sarah grew too old to bare children and Abraham and Sarah didn't know what to do! Instead of asking God for help and insight. Instead of trusting in God to resolve the situation they were in. Abraham and Sarah took matters into their own hands.

First point to bring out is this; God and God alone is responsible to bring about the prophecies He gives. Mankind is not responsible to bring about the fulfillment of God's prophecies. If we have to fulfill God's prophecies, that has a terrible bearing on God's claim as God.

Back to Abraham and Sarah. They got together and decided that for Abraham to have a seed, he would have to have a child that Sarah couldn't give. So, they decided that Abraham would have a child through Hagar. And Hagar did bare Abraham a son whom was named Ishmael.

Remember, the plan of salvation required the Messiah being born and being the "seed" and not "seeds" of Abraham.

For at least 12 years Abraham taught that Ishmael was the child of Promise! Now, I am speaking for myself when I say that I believe this prophecy to be more important then any other prophecy in Scripture except the First and Second Comings of Christ! And Abraham got it WRONG!!

According to the evangelical view of Deut. 18:22, Abraham can not be a prophet of God and Abraham's seed can't be promised from God!

They don't have any idea what they are talking about.

In Genesis 17, God talks to Abraham and straightens everything out! The reason God explained and straightened everything out was because this prophecy truly came from God! And God wanted Abraham to know that in about a year Sarah was going to bare him a son and his name was to be Isaac. Isaac, born through a miracle of God, was the child God intended to carry the promise He made to Abraham. Halleluyah!

Second point to bring out; If God's prophet doesn't understand properly the message God gave him. It is God's responsibility to straighten it out! God must make known what the error is and fix whatever needs to be fixed. And God does that in Genesis 17.

Now, it was a little different with Daniel because his prophecies were for a time long after the death of the prophet. But, God made sure there was more than enough information to make sure we could understand the Book of Daniel in our day, the time of the end.

Pastor Stephen Bohr never demonstrated where God clarified an error by Ellen White. That must come from God! That must be available or we should not accept a teaching contrary to what the Prophet of God said!

I hope I was clear.