I didn’t really address Alchemy first and second point properly.



This is a HUGE assumption that I have always heard thru out my years in the Church. It’s not even biblical for the Lord says clearly in Num 12:8 that He speaks in “dark speeches” to prophets. Dark Speeches comes from the Hebrew word chiydah (H2420 that means “a puzzle, a riddle” that is difficult to solve). This word is used 17 times in the Bible where 9 times it is used in Judges relating to the difficult riddle Samson gave at his wedding party.

Thus in Num 12:8 it is clear that the word of the Lord given to prophets comes in an obscured language and does not come with the interpretation and is given as a puzzle to be solve. In the whole Bible, I think only Joseph and Daniel that we read got the interpretation of some dreams. But as Alchemy correctly noted that not all the interpretation were given to Daniel. I will extend also to most other prophets.


It is true that Abraham spent 12 years with the incorrect understanding that Ishmael was the promised son. Now the birth and life of Ishmael was part of a prophesy also. Abraham had 2 sons, like the Lord had 2 sons. Abraham’s 2 sons were a type & shadow of the Lord’s two sons that Paul explained in Gal 4.

The first son, was birthed by Mama Egypt, was a carnal son that refused to hear the Holy Spirit, received the law outside their body on stones, and tried to keep it with their own vow, will & ability of the flesh. Paul says Ishmael represents the earthly Jerusalem. Also Paul tells us that Ishmael persecuted Isaac. The bible doesn’t tell us in what way, but it was so bad that Ishmael and his mother had to be cast out. The Lord’s second son represents the Overcomers, that constitute the New Jerusalem, and rely on Jesus to keep His vow to write all His laws on their heart via the personal teachings of the Holy Spirit. Also, Paul tells us that the second son represents the New covenant, whereas the first son represents the Old covenant.

I don’t believe the above was reveal to Abraham. Only the part of his understanding was corrected. Only the part that Ishmael was not the promise son when he got the news that Sarah was going to be pregnant. I really doubt that more than that was reveal then. So to say that the Lord corrected everything to Abraham when he got the news Sarah was going to have a son, is a HUGE assumption that is not said in the Bible. For sure Abraham got some more revelation afterwards especially when he offered Isaac as a sacrifice. But I do not believe that Abraham understanding was nearly complete as you are assuming.


I agree with the highlighted and underlined above, but disagree that everything was corrected and reveal to Abraham about Isaac & Ishmael.

The interpretation rarely comes to the prophet itself, but it is reserve much later on depending on the timing when He will fulfill that prophecy. The fulfillment of prophecies often comes sometimes in the futur generations.

I see this principe in this story of Abraham. Abraham only got the correction of his understanding of the promise son just 1 year prior to the birth of Isaac, but I doubt that much more than that was given to him then. This is what I see standing out in this story.

I am particularly interested in this. I have listened quite a bit to Stephen Bohr and was always struck by his faithfulness to EGW. It would be helpful if you were to provide links to your sources about this particular matter.

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I will try to find that and post it here. I believe that was actually discussed in this forum already. I will try to do that for you James.

Hmmm....

My point is this; Evangelicals have long held the position that a true prophet of God must have all their prophecies come to pass or they are not a true prophet of God! If any one of their prophecies fail to come to pass, they are a false prophet.

Is this your understanding of the evangelical view of Deuteronomy 18:22?

Elle wrote;

"I agree with the highlighted and underlined above, but disagree that everything was corrected and reveal to Abraham about Isaac & Ishmael. "

My context was clear enough.

I hope this works James.

This is found in the "New Light" Forum and the discussion is called "Pastor Stephen Bohr finds major error in The Great Controversy".

CLICK HERE - S. Bohr

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http://www.thesourcehh.org/pdf/Contribut...20Rev.%2010.pdf


Sorry James, I can't get the link to work here.

It is actually a chart and article explaining where Pastor Stephen Bohr differs from Ellen White on the seven trumpets in Revelation.

Elle, are you really going to shift the responsibility for you own actions onto the Pastor and board members of the Church you attend? If you cease to meet the definition of a Seventh Day Adventist shouldn't you have the honesty and integrity to resign your membership?

You do realize that non-members are still allowed to attend services? You can still obey what you believe is God's will for you without sinning. Just as you can be honest on your profile here without misrepresenting yourself as a Seventh Day Adventist. You would still be allowed to participate in discussions and everyone would know where you stand.

If the Church leadership knows of your apostasy and does not remove you from the books, that sin is upon their heads. The false witness you give by pretending to meet the membership requirements is upon yours.

As for your claim that 50% of the attending members do not accept the 28 Fundamental Beliefs, it is quite possible that you are correct. This situation will be rectified shortly when the Shaking occurs. As Sister White tells us:

"it (the Shaking) would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God’s people." – {CET 176.1}

(Elle, I realize that you refuse to accept the writings of Ellen White; however, this is still a site for Seventh Day Adventists and those who are friendly towards them. Your lack of faith in "the straight testimony" will not prevent me from quoting from the Spirit of Prophesy)

The unbelieving 50% you speak of will be Shaken out of God's Remnant Church!
I truely hope and pray that you are not among them.

God's remnant church is the SDA denomination? lol

• "Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, "Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.
  
  And He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. They will say to you, 'Look there! Look here!' Do not go away, and do not run after them."
  
  Luke 17:20-23

Whatever the process of canonization, whoever is deemed worthy of canonization pales in comparison to the character of God in His children of His Kingdom.

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