This link may generate some discussion!


http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0300whatson/0800events/page.cfm?objectid=12647919&method=full&siteid=50061

LK

Soundless music seems to fall into the realm of subliminal messages. Some say neither is of any use because we can't consciously precevie them, but undeniably companies spent big money "just in case."

I'm sure record industry folk have known for quite a while about "soundless music."

Very interesting. It would also be interesting to see the effects of ultra-high frequency that is out of the human hearing range on the other end of the sound spectrum.

Various animals communicate outside of our hearing range. Elephants are known to "talk" to each other over great distances using very low frequency sound. And there is some indication of emotional expression among elephants, what appears to be mourning, rage, etc. It is also understood that many animals can sense our emotion whether or not we overtly express it in human terms. From personal experience and observation I know that dogs and horses sense fear, confidence, happiness, etc. in humans and will respond accordingly, even when such emotion may not be easily observable by most people. Perhaps we communicate our emotions in "soundless music" to them. A fearful person's "quaking in their boots" may give off low frequency vibrations detectable by animals.

Anyway, I find it interesting that emotional response to this "soundless music" is not consistent in evoking the same type of emotional response. At appears to act more as an intensifier of an individual's present emotion. It is also interesting that organ music is recognized as using such low frequency sound which could explain emotional responses to certain church music used as altar-call background music, etc. Actually this seems consistent with the effect of bass in music that serves to intensify the music, underlining and accentuate the harmony of the other parts.

Given the wide variety of taste in music and the attending emotion surrounding one's personal preferences in music, this provides an objective indication by using subliminal sound that emotion and sound are closely linked and music as organized sound is the language of the heart or emotions. The intensity of modern music and its use of a strong bass line accounts of the intensity of the relative emotions it evokes in fans and foes alike. But remember that this is nothing new - remember a bit of Bach on the pipe organ.

Tom

Enjoy the 8 or less cycles / second from the bass on these organs.

http://gryphone.home.mindspring.com/largest.html

Eat your heart out bach.


By the way, in the late 60's I read of experiments with hyposonics. If I remember right - around the 8 cycles per second range, it could produce an resonance of the same frequency (8 cycles/sec) in objects, buildings, people etc. This is the principle of why soldiers break stride & cadence crossing bridges. A corresponding resonance builds up in the bridge, capaple of damage or destruction of the bridge if strong enough.

In this article found during a Google search - "eight cycles per second" is the assertion that subsonic frequencies exist in CCM and are a part of Rock music.

http://www.present-truth.org/Gospel-Rock.htm

Who could induce qualified technitians to analyze live or recorded music with equipment & software like "SoundForge" style audio pre & post production software & give an independent analysis of old fashioned SDA Hymns, CCM, and Rock music ? I do not have the sofware or I would just out of scientific curiosity . Be nice to have subjects wired up full 10/20 eeg hookup & sleep study monitoring equipment listening with headphones to a three types of music - in a lit room, and then a dark room, with B/P(non invasive blood pressure sensing equipment) & ECO2 (End Tidal CO2 sensing equipment.

Thank you for that URL, Ed.

And what is worse still is the soundless and loud music combined.

Yikes! When I first saw this discussion - I thought it was some kind of a joke. But how intensely interesting this is. It shows how evil CCM really is - - - like some of us have been telling us. (Claudia for example.)

I wonder if Diane Bish has played this Huge organ. I would bet that she knows about these super low frequencies. If anyone hasnt heard her play - they havent heard organ music.

As a final note can you imagine the wonderous music we will hear in heaven - where everything will be holy and pure?
--Ðøug

Ed told me about the article posted by Larry. I finally took the time to read it. Most interesting, so interesting that I decided to do a little research on infrasonics online.

There is an infrasound detector system worldwide, built for the purpose of detecting illegal nuclear testing. All explosions cause infrasonic waves, including meteors entering the earth's atmosphere. Scientists have begun looking at what these detectors are finding related to the weather. Even NOAA is doing research into infrasound and earthquakes, tornadoes, and volcanoes. A university in Texas with a detection device recorded infrasonic sounds from the space shuttle Columbia prior to and during its breakup in February.

Some people and a lot of animals have always exhibited strange sensations and unusual behaviors just before and during some of these events. Could it be that they are sensing the infrasonic waves that are being generated before audible sounds can be detected by the human ear? If such sounds are being used in the manufacture of music, then it stands to reason that the producers are aware that it has an effect on the human body, and consequently, on the human mind.

Just to get an idea of infrasonic detection, here are a couple of websites. Infrasound Resource Guide and Listen Up! Infrasound Is Talking

Check this kids online tutorial out. Notice theatrical use of infrasound to affect your perceptions & emotions & physical feelings.

http://www.usoe.k12.ut.us/curr/science/core/6th/sciber6/SOUND/INTSOUND/introsnd.htm

http://www.usoe.k12.ut.us/curr/science/core/6th/sciber6/SOUND/PITCH/pitch.htm

http://www.explorescience.com/activities/activity_list.cfm?categoryID=3

http://www.explorescience.com/activities/Activity_page.cfm?ActivityID=44

http://www.explorescience.com/activities/activity_page.cfm?activityID=47

I read here and got interested & did more online checking. What I was used to calling hyposconics is actually called infrasound.

It seems that pipe organ designers / builders, have known about this for quite awhile & add or adapt tube(s) to add infrasonics to the bass end below the hearing range to make you both really feel the music & add a sense of awe.

But infrasconics is heard by animals and can also destroy people & solid objects & buildings & bridges & so on at the various ranges, pitches, amplitudes and so forth.

In fact there is something called the Taos Hum, which may involve infrasonics in it's frequency spectrums.

http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html

http://www.earthpulse.com/science/taoshum.html

http://homepages.tesco.net/~John.Dawes2/arthur.htm

http://www.amasci.com/hum/bristol.html

[ May 11, 2003, 02:56 AM: Message edited by: Edward F Sutton ]