Very interesting -- I can add a positive personal testimony as well. Getting off dairy is one of the best things I've ever done. The changes in health were noticeable, and pretty quick. No more colds, flu, sore throats. Ever. More energy, better sleep and digestion (like the fellow says below). I could really tell more of a difference after giving up dairy, than after giving up meat!

The articles at NotMilk.com are an eye-opener. The one about cow pus in milk (!!!) tipped the scales for me. Yecch.


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Subject: NOTMILK - Accepting the NotMilk Challenge
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:16:49 -0000
From: Robert Cohen
Reply-To: notmilk-owner@yahoogroups.com
To: notmilk@yahoogroups.com


One of my readers (Bruce) recently took the NotMilk challenge and sent me this election day email:

< frrogg1son@verizon.net > wrote:
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I started on this new journey two weeks ago today. What do I notice?

1. I no longer have any significant nasal congestion.
2. I am sleeping more soundly.
3. I seem to be needing less sleep.
4. When I wake up, I am wonderfully awake and not in a fog.
5. I am more awake and alert during the day.
6. Hello? I've lost eight, yes eight, pounds. Now I'm a big guy, look like a linebacker, but still. I haven't been exercising more and I have been eating plenty of food, lots of veggies and fruit, grains. Not vegan yet. I've read and it is my experience that it takes at least four weeks to create a new habit. I want to lock in this non-dairy business and be on cruise control before tackling the next issues.
7. I am not feeding that milk/doughnut, milk/cookies, milk/cake addictive habit I have, which helps explain the weight loss.
8. I don't want milk or dairy products and am willing to find natural alternatives.

This is all quite amazing.

I recall your challenge to go seven days and then try an experiment with a pizza party and ice cream. By a series of unplanned events, I ended up facing two slices of pizza for a social Saturday lunch and a big Saturday-night family dinner which included mashed potatoes probably made with milk and butter, followed by a dessert with a whipped cream filling. I could easily have declined all of it but decided I might as well try the experiment. It would have been too much trouble to explain it all to my mother...

I didn't notice anything Saturday night. I even got some extra sleep Sunday morning because the clocks were turned back. But your alleged 12 to 15 hour rule seemed to carry weight. I found myself absolutely falling asleep during religious services Sunday morning. I arrived home at about 11:00 a.m. and promptly went to bed (unheard of for me), sleeping almost two hours, also unheard of. I had no energy the rest of the day, took a slow walk with my wife in the evening and crashed into bed in the evening. I am convinced that the dairy played a major role. It was just a rotten day and I don't know what else could explain it.

By contrast, this Tuesday morning I was awake before 6:00 a.m., quite awake. I am looking forward to a non-dairy breakfast.

And I am planning to pass on the dairy the next time the test comes my way. I have some thickened millet milk in the fridge. My wife and I plan to eat it with homemade granola this morning. Share an apple, eat a banana, a few cashews and some orange juice. Very nice Thanks so much for your work.

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The NotMilk Challenge

Quit All Dairy in Just Ten Days

Read labels. Become informed. Milk chocolate is a dairy product. So are ice cream and sherbet. So is pizza. So are non-dairy creamers, which reveal (in small print on the back of the label) the deception. Anything that originated in the cow's udder is to be eliminated during this test. Eat the udder if you must, but just say "not" to milk.

That is your challenge and goal, for during the initial seven day period of abstaining from all milk and dairy, one gallon of mucus will be expelled from your kidneys, spleen, pancreas, and other internal organs. If you still eat cheese, ice cream, milk chocolate, and yogurt, your first one-week experience will be as if an internal fog has been dispersed from inside of you.

Most people successfully weaning themselves from all milk and dairy products immediately observe dramatic physical and emotional changes. Better sleep, more energy, fewer mood swings, more sexual energy. Just seven days to a new you.

Take the challenge. Your body will thank you. So will those who care most about you.

DAY 8

If you are daring enough, or doubting enough to think that your new feelings are mere coincidence, plan a pizza party with ice cream for dessert after your seven day milk-fast. Remember the good and bad feelings, for in 15 hours after your dairy feast, the famine of bad feelings returns.

DAY 9

Pay careful attention to your body's clues.

DAY 10

Begin anew, and become a new person from day eleven to day 20,000 (the next 50+ years of your life!) Recognize the influence that dairy has played in your lack of energy, poor bowel movements, and lack of spirit. Become a notmilkman or a notmilkwoman.


Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com


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Amen! I've been a vegan (no meat, no dairy, no animal byproducts) since my teens. I'm 45 now and can keep up, if not out do, the teens and young adults who attend our outdoor ministry and programs. We climb big mountains all thoughout North and South America and I can testify to the healing and empowering benefits of a meat and dairy free diet. Everything God promises in the counsels of Sister White regarding health are true, more than true, and the results are well worth it. Thank you, Jesus. Please, don't wait until you see your health slipping away before you choose to believe God's inspired messenger.

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[ November 13, 2004, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: John ]

I hope there will be many who are willing to take the NOTMILK Challenge. I agree whole-heartedly with John and Mike that the positive benefits of turning your back on the cow are readily felt and seen. The energy levels enjoyed on a good vegan program are incredible, not to mention better mental clarity. I cycle and hike as means to fitness (exercise is important too!), and I praise God that at 54 I can still pedal 100-120 miles on a Sunday at a 20+ mph pace. We don't need any part of the cow to sustain good health.

One of the sad things to me is the "average" Adventist's idea of a healthy diet. (I know, it's dangerous talking about "average" groups of people, but you'll see what I mean in a moment.) There are many so-called "vegetarians" amongst us attending church each Sabbath, however, too many of them are overweight and even, perhaps, malnourished. How can that be if they're vegetarians? (Now I'm not talking about most vegans here). The problem is with the way we are brought up, or the way we are taught vegetarinaism. We are taught to shun meat at all costs, but we often aren't taught the principles of a healthy diet and lifestyle. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a typical SDA vegetarian (from North America, at least), eats plenty of pizza (lots of cheese), meat analogs (did you ever read the label on those cans), no problem with donuts and Little Debbies (if they contain vegetable shortening). Oh, and of course there are sodas and ice cream and chocolate and... Do you follow what I'm saying? I don't think I'm too far off. What this translates to is "dietary legalism". The principles of good health are lost sight of but the "letter of the law" is carefully maintained--that is, they are technically "vegetarians". (Actually, maybe this should be a new thread.)

For many, myself included, the priciples of good health and nutrition are finally realized when we are awakened to the vegan lifestyle. And I believe for many it also comes with a spiritual rebirth--wanting to "glorify God in our body", and desiring a "walk with God" as Jesus walked and communed with the Father. After all, what we eat also effects our minds. For the great controversy is really about control of the mind!

Well, I've gone on too long. BTW, if there are any who would like to learn more about a sensible, principled approach to diet, nutrition, and especially becoming a vegan, I've prepare a section on our web site for this purpose: www.daystarbotanicals.com/vegetarian.html.

God bless,

Ted

I agree with everything you have said Ted! The one thing, however, I would say is that Sister White endorsed meat analogs in her day (which were probably more simple in content) and it was these analogs that helped me to stay away from eating meat when I decided to become a vegetarian at age 15 years ago.

Plus there are today a very small handful of meat analogs with healthful simple ingredients.

Hi Debbie,

I would agree with you. If meat analogs of today were fit for consumption, they would be a valuable tool for transitioning to a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle. I imagine the meat analogs of Sister White's day might have been more like homemade gluten. However, like I stated above, the shelves of analogs by Worthington, Loma Linda, etc. have a list of ingredients that is astonishing. Of course many/most of these products are not vegan, and to make matters worse, they often contain MSG! Sad to say, but many/most of these are not really fit for food, especially for God's remnant people.

If you could direct me to some meat analogs with simple ingredients, I would find them useful in helping my patients make the transition from meat.

Thanks Debbie.
God bless you,

Ted

I normally make my own gluton but there is one product that I enjoy called Low Fat Worthington Multigrain Cutlets. Here are the ingredients-- (The first list is the cutlets, the second list is the broth which I do not use):

Wheat gluton, oat fiber, soy protein concentrate, red wheat, barley, oatmeal, rye, triticale, white wheat, millet, guargum.

Water, hydrolyzed corn, soy and what protein, salt, natural and artifical flavors from non-meat sources.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Debbie.

BTW, here is a link that you may find informative: www.truthinlabeling.org/nomsg.html. This is a topic for a whole new thread...

Now, back to the NotMilk Challenge!

May the Lord bless you,

Ted