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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/02/05 09:36 PM
04/02/05 09:36 PM
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Bob,
Do you think the focal point of the Seventh-Day Adventist church is Jesus Christ, and preaching the Gospel to prepare people for His soon return?
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
-Will
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/02/05 10:56 PM
04/02/05 10:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Will:
Bob,
Fron what I have seen the SDA Church follows Jesus Christ, and Jesus said that He would send us His Holy Spirit to tech us. I do not see preaching Ellen White each and every Sabbath as if she were a deity. That view comes from people who are former adventists or nonadventists as was mentioned in the thread.
I cannot attend every SDA church globally, but I am speaking of the church I am am member of, and when I go away on vacation I receive a blessing for hearing the Gospel on the Seventh Day.
Will,
I did not state that the SDA Church does not preach the gospel. Almost all Christian churches in existence today preach the Gospel. The SDA Church is not unique in this aspect.
Nor do I question the spiritual experience that you may receive when you worship at any SDA Church that you may attend.
What I do question is the SDA Church's perspective of Truth.
Is the current SDA perspective of Truth based upon the collective spiritual experiences of its membership whereby God, through His Holy Spirit, has imparted to them an understanding of what is truth?
Or.....
Is the current SDA perspective of Truth based upon the collective acceptance of its membership that EGW is the authority to be relied upon in its understanding of Truth?
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
#49531
04/02/05 11:22 PM
04/02/05 11:22 PM
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What do you think it is Bob? many have already answered except you.
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
-Will
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/02/05 11:34 PM
04/02/05 11:34 PM
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Will,
I do believe that I have answered that question in previous posts.
The SDA Church collective accepts truth only as it has been presented by EGW.
Any perspective that is presented that conflicts with the perspective presented by EGW is rejected.
I have shared one example. Would you like others?
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/03/05 05:27 AM
04/03/05 05:27 AM
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Bob, why should anyone want to go contrary to the point of view given by an inspired prophet of God?
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/03/05 05:27 AM
04/03/05 05:27 AM
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Quote: from myarsman| The SDA Church collective accepts truth only as it has been presented by EGW. |
What of subjects that were not covered by Mrs. White in sufficient detail as to derive a clear doctrine? For example, look at the debate on women ordination. But where she gives a clear voice, I see no problem with respecting her counsel.
Quote: from SDA Fundamental Beliefs
17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.) |
So, what’s the issue here? Either you believe she was divinely inspired or not. If you believe she wasn’t, then I can see your point, but as I mentioned earlier, it shouldn’t seem out of place for a group of people who believe a person was divinely inspired, to respect that person’s writings as doctrinally authoritative on some level. And that certainly does not mean that believing so demonstrates the absence of the H.S. in one’s study any more than applying Paul’s writings as a “truth” filter.
Jeff
Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/03/05 09:21 AM
04/03/05 09:21 AM
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Will
Maybe teasing people is more inapropriate than engaging in lengthy arguments for sabbath activity, maybe you can give your oppinion on that.
I wonder if EW may be more well studied than for instance Habackuk or Sakarja?
/Thomas
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/03/05 10:23 AM
04/03/05 10:23 AM
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Sure I'll give my opinion. Teasing is very lite, what you said was more along the lines of mocking. Everyone has a right to express themselves of course, but you need to use your head when doing so. Giving a reason for what you believe is in the Bible.
Whats on your mind Thomas?
God Bless,
-Will
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/05/05 08:47 AM
04/05/05 08:47 AM
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When we first came into contact with the SDA message we were living in NM. We began attending a great little church there, and the members studied with us over several months before we were baptized. It wasn't until shortly before we were baptized that we were introduced to Mrs. White's writings. It threw me into confusion and doubt, and I did not want to accept. But as I read, I realized that the writings agreed with everything I had already learned in the Bible. So for us, Jesus was the focal point of our faith.
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Re: Who is the Focal Point of the SDA Church?
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04/05/05 02:48 PM
04/05/05 02:48 PM
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quote:
With respect to the SDA Church and our church's daily Christian living and witness, who is the focal point of the SDA church?
If Jesus really is the "focal point" of the SDA church, then that would explain why so many members are inactive, why so many members do not spend time seeking and saving the lost (according to their special giftedness). I don't mean to sound harsh, but it is obvious that most members just come to church on sabbath, and that's about it. Which is why I'm questioning whether or not Jesus really is the focal point of the SDA church.
Jesus said, "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also." John 14:12. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. His focus was not on Himself, but on saving souls. It stands to reason, therefore, that a follower of Jesus will be actively involved in doing the same. Which implies, then, that the focal point of the SDA church should be lost souls. Leading lost souls to Jesus is the gospel commission.
Matthew
28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
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