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Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79531
09/23/06 07:01 PM
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We have now arrived at the final study of this quarter, which you can access directly at the following link:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06c/less14.html

Let the study and discussion begin.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79532
09/23/06 07:04 PM
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From the Sabbath Afternoon section of this week's study:

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Here we are, in the twenty-first century; what does a judgment that began in 1844 mean for us today? What does it say to us as Seventh-day Adventists now? Why is it important for us to know and believe this teaching? What does it reveal about God and about the salvation He offers?



Lots of questions.

Let's see if we can answer these and other questions that may come up as we go through this week's study.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79533
09/23/06 07:14 PM
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Quote:

From the Sabbath Afternoon section of this week's study:

Quote:


Here we are, in the twenty-first century; what does a judgment that began in 1844 mean for us today? What does it say to us as Seventh-day Adventists now? Why is it important for us to know and believe this teaching? What does it reveal about God and about the salvation He offers?



Lots of questions.

Let's see if we can answer these and other questions that may come up as we go through this week's study.




Here is the memory verse: "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come; and worship him that made heaven and earth,and the sea,and the fountains of waters."

So who are we to fear and who are we to worship? The "One God and Father of all, who is above all" (Eph.4:6)? or, a "unity of three co-eternal persons" (fundamental belief no. 2)?


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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79534
09/23/06 07:21 PM
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In answer to your question comes the following two questions:

1 - Who is the Judge?

2 - Who is the Creator?

Answering the above two questions should result in an answer to your own question.

If your questions are leading into a discussion on the Godhead, this isn't the topic for such a discussion.


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Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79535
09/23/06 10:48 PM
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Quote:

In answer to your question comes the following two questions:

1 - Who is the Judge?

2 - Who is the Creator?

Answering the above two questions should result in an answer to your own question.

If your questions are leading into a discussion on the Godhead, this isn't the topic for such a discussion.



ANSWER:

1. Who is the Judge? "the Ancient of Days" see Daniel 7:9-10

2. Who is the Creator? "the image of the invisible God" see Colossians 1:15-16.


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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79536
09/24/06 12:12 AM
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ANSWER:

Who is the Judge?
Christ.

Quote:


John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:



Who is the Creator?
Christ.

Quote:


John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.



So, who are we to worship? Christ, as the one who made the heaven and the earth, as stated in the Memory Text of this week's study.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79537
09/24/06 11:19 AM
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Maybe off topic but I was kind of dissapointed with this quarterly. On the topic of 1844, I did hope for some explanation on 1844 but the lessons have been on every kind of side issue always walking in circles around the core question of what 1844 really is/was. The first half was just about the time and the secound half? Some weeks ago I asked in class if someone could explain what really happened in that year and got blank stares in reply. Why spend 3 months on a topic if you arent even going to enter the most fundamental question of what it is?

/Thomas


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79538
09/24/06 12:58 PM
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Hello Thomas,

Your disappointment with the quarterly is well understood. I experienced the same many years ago when I realized the quarterlies were so often 'walking in circles around the core question'. What frustration for a new believer. Then I was lead to trust only inspired sources - the Word and the S.O.P. as given in full context. Time is short and shorter with ever passing day. Can we really invest it 'walking in circles'? You have highlighted a major problem for those trusting to church publications/religious leaders for their Bible instruction. Ellen White warns us this was the case in 1844:

It is "unto them that look for Him" that Christ is to "appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Hebrews 9:28. Like the tidings of the Saviour's birth, the message of the second advent was not committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had refused light from heaven; therefore they were not of the number described by the apostle Paul : "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." 1 Thessalonians 5:4, 5. (Great Controversy 1911, p. 315)

For more light on 1844, one can read the Great Controversy starting at chapter 18 - An American Reformer, and through chapter 24 - In the Holy of Holies. As well chapter 28 - Facing Life's Record (The Investigative Judgment). Early Writings by EGW would also shed light here.

Unfortunately the original chapter titles from the 1884 Great Controversy (published as Spirit of Prophecy Vol. 4) have been changed from their original and instructive sense:

Ch. XIII - William Miller
Ch. XIV - The First Angel's Message
Ch.XV - The Second Angel's Message
Ch. XVI - The Tarrying Time
Ch. XVII - The Midnight Cry
Ch. XVIII - The Sanctuary
Ch. XIX - An Open and a Shut Door
Ch. XX - The Third Angel's Message
Ch. XXI - The Third Message Rejected

Your experience here describes why many church leaders, seminary students and laity cannot explain our core belief - The Sanctuary Message & The Investigative Judgment. The quarterly has the great opportunity to circle the globe with this unique message, but here your witness from Sweden demonstrates where this messenger falls short.

May our dependence be upon the Word of God,

Gordon

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Re: Lesson Study #14 - The Meaning of the JUDGMENT TODAY #79539
09/24/06 02:08 PM
09/24/06 02:08 PM
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Some weeks ago I asked in class if someone could explain what really happened in that year and got blank stares in reply. Why spend 3 months on a topic if you arent even going to enter the most fundamental question of what it is?



I thought it was clear that in that year the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary began (Dan. 8:14). Since the cleansing of the sanctuary in the sanctuary on earth was a day of judgment, this means in 1844 a work of judgment began in the heavenly sanctuary.

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09/24/06 03:39 PM
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I thought it was clear that in that year the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary began (Dan. 8:14). Since the cleansing of the sanctuary in the sanctuary on earth was a day of judgment, this means in 1844 a work of judgment began in the heavenly sanctuary.


This is exactly the question that should have been studied but wasnt. It was carefully shown that something happened in 1844 and then, nothing (I would considder a "becourse I said so" statement as equall to nothing in these issues). It is not at all clear to me that a heavenly judgement began then, and if it did so, who is judged, who is the judge, etc etc. This should be shown from the scripture alone and from that perspective Ive found more questions than answeres on the topic.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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