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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
[Re: Daryl]
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10/27/06 08:00 PM
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What were the consequences of their disobedience, the immediate results of the Fall? Of all the consequences of sin, I think the worst is alienation from God. The SOP gives more details on what this means. But should they once yield to temptation, their nature would become so depraved that in themselves they would have no power and no disposition to resist Satan. {PP 53.2}
But they were told that their nature had become depraved by sin; they had lessened their strength to resist evil and had opened the way for Satan to gain more ready access to them. In their innocence they had yielded to temptation; and now, in a state of conscious guilt, they would have less power to maintain their integrity. {PP 61.4}
When man transgressed the divine law, his nature became evil, and he was in harmony, and not at variance, with Satan. There exists naturally no enmity between sinful man and the originator of sin. Both became evil through apostasy. {GC 505.2} It is our natural harmony with Satan and natural enmity to God that causes much of our problems. That's why conversion - a radical transformation - is crucial. Without it, our fate is identical to Satan's - a life of slavery to self, eventually ending in non-existence.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/27/06 08:57 PM
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What were the consequences of their disobedience, the immediate results of the Fall? Here's another result that may be of interest to those involved in Women's Rights/Equality issues. In the creation God had made her the equal of Adam. Had they remained obedient to God--in harmony with His great law of love--they would ever have been in harmony with each other; but sin had brought discord, and now their union could be maintained and harmony preserved only by submission on the part of the one or the other. {PP 58.3} It seems like the submission of the woman to the man was not required before the Fall. If that's the case, "Wives, submit to your husbands" is valid only after sin.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/27/06 09:30 PM
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Wasn't Eve referred to as Adam's helper? Gen. 2:20 And Adam gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field. But there was not found a suitable helper for Adam.
Even though they were equal before the Fall, Eve's function was to be Adam's helper.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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From the Tuesday lesson.
Quote. Look at the immediate results of the Fall. First, alienation arose between Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:7); then between them and God (vs. 8); nature itself suddenly turned more hostile (vss. 16-18); the relationship between Adam and Eve changed even more so (vs. 16); there was the reality of death (vs. 19); there was a change in how humanity related to toil (vs. 19); and Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden (vss. 23, 24). If only they could have seen in advance the consequences of their actions! Unquote.
So, Adam and Eve didn’t know the consequences of their choice, of their rebellion. This means they didn’t understand God’s warning that if they ate the forbidden fruit, they would die. God didn’t give them any clue of what “dead” is, and allow them to find it out them selves with the risk and consequences revealed only after they transgress his command.
Is this fair? If yes, why? If not, why?
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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If only they could have seen in advance the consequences of their actions! So, Adam and Eve didn’t know the consequences of their choice, of their rebellion. This means they didn’t understand God’s warning that if they ate the forbidden fruit, they would die. God didn’t give them any clue of what “dead” is, and allow them to find it out them selves with the risk and consequences revealed only after they transgress his command.Actually, inspiration is clear that they were told what the consequences would be, and how to avoid falling in the first place. The angels warned them to be on their guard against the devices of Satan, for his efforts to ensnare them would be unwearied. While they were obedient to God the evil one could not harm them; for, if need be, every angel in heaven would be sent to their help. If they steadfastly repelled his first insinuations, they would be as secure as the heavenly messengers. But should they once yield to temptation, their nature would become so depraved that in themselves they would have no power and no disposition to resist Satan. {PP 53.2}
Holy angels often visited the garden, and gave instruction to Adam and Eve concerning their employment and also taught them concerning the rebellion and fall of Satan. The angels warned them of Satan and cautioned them not to separate from each other in their employment, for they might be brought in contact with this fallen foe. The angels also enjoined upon them to follow closely the directions God had given them, for in perfect obedience only were they safe. Then this fallen foe could have no power over them. {EW 147.1}
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #4 - Paradise LOST
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10/31/06 03:33 PM
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Why did she place herself at the only place where the devil could communicate with her?
Why do we end up in where we can also be tempted? Your statement sums up the answer well: she mistakenly thought she could handle it. We think we can safely walk the edge of the cliff without falling. Another factor is that we often fool ourselves into believing Satan's lie: disobey and live. We think falling off the cliff is not as fatal as it really is.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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