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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: vastergotland] #80561
11/01/06 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
There are works and then there are works


I agree. No kind of work can ever merit justification, save for Christ's work. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by His mercy He saves us.

But God's justification always leads to works of rightouesness. We should walk as He walked.

Works of unrighteousness always come from Satan. And that includes every work done for the purpose of gaining merit for salvation.


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And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: asygo] #80562
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As it said in Monday's study, Noah's faith was manifested by his works.

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In the midst of a violent, corrupt world, the Lord has this man, Noah, whose faith was most clearly made manifest by his works. This is a crucial point that all people who love the Lord and the great promises of salvation through grace alone, by faith in Jesus, must remember. Noah could have had all the faith possible, but had he not acted on that faith and obeyed the Lord's commands, he and his family would have been swept away with the rest of the world in the Flood (see Heb. 11:7). That should be a great object lesson for all of us who, day by day, claim the righteousness of Jesus for us as the only hope of our salvation: A faith that isn't manifested in obedience isn't really faith at all.


This shows the importance of faith and works.


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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: Daryl] #80563
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I think Tuesday's study brings in an element of the animals that Noah was obviously acquainted with.

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Gen 7:1 And Jehovah said to Noah, You and all your house come into the ark, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation.

Gen 7:2 You shall take with you every clean animal by sevens, the male and female. And take two of the animals that are not clean, the male and female.


The above quoted text clearly distinguished between clean and unclean animals long before there ever was a Jewish nation, which makes me wonder why Christians say this was only for the Jewish people.


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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: Daryl] #80564
11/01/06 10:31 PM
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Tuesday's study also points out that this was a world-wide flood, rather than a localized flood.

The following text shows that the Flood covered the whole earth, not just a localized portion of the earth:

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Gen 7:17 And the flood was upon the earth forty days. And the waters increased and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed and were increased greatly upon the earth. And the ark floated upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth. And all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered.
20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh that moved upon the face of the earth died, of birds, of cattle, of animal, and of every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth; and every man,
22 all who breathed the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living thing which was on the face of the earth was destroyed, from man to cattle, and to the creeping things, and the fowls of the heavens. And they were destroyed from the earth, and only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.


All means all and not just some.


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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: Daryl] #80566
11/02/06 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
I think Tuesday's study brings in an element of the animals that Noah was obviously acquainted with.

The above quoted text clearly distinguished between clean and unclean animals long before there ever was a Jewish nation, which makes me wonder why Christians say this was only for the Jewish people.
It becomes more intriguing when you read in later chapters what Noah did with some of those clean animals after the flood. Note; he isnt recorded as eating them.


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: vastergotland] #80567
11/02/06 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
he isnt recorded as eating them.


I was thinking about what clean/unclean meant to Noah, since he didn't eat animals. The chapters in Lev and Deut teach clean/unclean in terms of what's OK to eat, but perhaps they meant something else in Noah's time. Maybe it defined which animals were OK to sacrifice?


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Arnold

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And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: asygo] #80572
11/02/06 12:34 PM
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Very probably. However, the ratio of 7:1 in the ark indicates that God had also alimentary purposes in mind, for the period after the flood.

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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: Rosangela] #80573
11/02/06 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Very probably. However, the ratio of 7:1 in the ark indicates that God had also alimentary purposes in mind, for the period after the flood.
6:1 after Noah had made the offerings.


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: vastergotland] #80577
11/02/06 05:00 PM
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Here is where the first sacrifice took place since the Flood.

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Gen 8:20 And Noah built an altar to Jehovah. And he took of every clean animal, and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.


Here is where God adds the animals, birds, etc. to the food chain for human consumption.

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Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herb.


There isn't any differentation of the clean from the unclean in this verse, however, seeing that only one pair of each of the unclean entered into the Ark, it would seem logical that they were not to be eaten.


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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: Daryl] #80582
11/02/06 10:20 PM
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It would seem logical the first year, maybe the secound, but hardly anymore the 10th or 50th year.


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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