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Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood #80638
11/04/06 01:54 AM
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As I will be away from the computer tomorrow, I am creating this one tonight, which can be directly accessed at the following link:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06d/less06.html

Let the discussion of this new study begin.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: Daryl] #80639
11/04/06 01:58 AM
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From the Sabbath Afternoon page, I quote this interesting portion:

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You'd think that after a flood, which wiped out the entire earth, people would have gotten the message regarding God's attitude about sin and rebellion; apparently they didn't. The stories that the Holy Spirit inspired Moses to write don't paint a pretty picture; humanity, obviously, didn't learn much. Things started to degenerate quickly, even immediately.


After such a devasting worldwide Flood, why didn't the people get the message?


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: Daryl] #80740
11/05/06 09:48 PM
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Sunday's study introduces a New Earth, however, what is different about this New Earth from the New Earth we are looking forward to today?


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: Daryl] #80763
11/06/06 04:23 PM
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The New Earth after the Flood is far from being the New Earth after the 1,000 years in heaven comes to a close and God creates a truly New Earth where there won't be any taints of sin.


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: Daryl] #80765
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
After such a devasting worldwide Flood, why didn't the people get the message?


I think they did get the message. They knew that God hated sin and rebellion, that He was well able to destroy the disobedient. In fact, they later made a skyscraper to avoid the consequences of their sin.

What they didn't get was the Message - Christ. Without Him, there can be no lasting change, there can be no transformation. And it is this lack of conversion that leads men to cling to sin while desperately trying to avoid its consequences, proving that they believe Satan's lie - sin and live.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: asygo] #80777
11/06/06 07:40 PM
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You must have intended to say that they received the message but not the Messenger, correct?

Yes, they did seem to get the message in regards to consequences and judgement for their sins, but totally missed out on the only way to be overcomers of those sins, thus they messed up in regards to the Messenger behind the message.

Man, then tried, and man today are still trying to find a way to get away from the consequences of their sins.

Monday's study on Blood and Life seems to be another reaction by God to sin and man's activity to man as a result of their sinful and fallen condition.

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"But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man" (Gen. 9:4-6).


With these verses, we see again the results of sin, of God acknowledging the reality of what life will be like for human beings in a fallen world.


With this comes the following question in Monday's study:

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What reason does God give for the strict prohibition regarding the taking of another human life?


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: Daryl] #80785
11/07/06 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
You must have intended to say that they received the message but not the Messenger, correct?


Actually, I meant Message, not Messenger.

True, Jesus was the Angel/Messenger of the Lord. But what is the message He brings to us? It is God's revelation of Himself.

As the "express image" of the Father, Jesus Christ is the Message. He reveals God to us as nothing else can. As John put it, "In the beginning was the Word, ... and the Word was God."

If you think about it that way, you will see why even conservative bastions of truth are not necessarily the best exhibits of Christianity. One who receives and accepts the whole message has been merely indoctrinated. To be converted, one must receive the one and only Message.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: asygo] #80787
11/07/06 01:37 AM
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I re-read your post more carefully and now saw there that you were referring to Christ as The Message.

The beginning of Tuesday's study is interesting in relation to getting, or not getting the message.

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No matter the Lord's gracious offers of peace, safety, and prosperity or His warnings of judgment, destruction, and death, folk just don't seem to get it, do they? Of course, we don't need Bible stories to prove that point; after all, we have our own selves—and what more proof do we need?


Even Christ's disciples didn't really get the message, or The Message, until after they saw Christ after His resurrection.


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: Daryl] #80792
11/07/06 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Even Christ's disciples didn't really get the message, or The Message, until after they saw Christ after His resurrection.


I think that's very important to understand. God's image in man has been so defaced that even after 3.5 years with Him, the disciples still were not quite on the same page as Jesus. What Jesus said to Peter shortly before his crucifixion is telling: When you are converted, strengthen your brethren.

As we study and teach, we need to go beyond information and focus on transformation. Otherwise, we will just be smart sinners.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Earth After the Flood [Re: asygo] #80802
11/07/06 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
If you think about it that way, you will see why even conservative bastions of truth are not necessarily the best exhibits of Christianity. One who receives and accepts the whole message has been merely indoctrinated. To be converted, one must receive the one and only Message.
Even?
Nothing new under the sun in that department. Reading the gospels is sufficient evidence of that.


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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