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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL
[Re: vastergotland]
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11/04/06 05:14 PM
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Washing of hands is the imediate context. Are we to understand from this that it is exclusively applicable in this context and that no principle of truth may be learned from this beyond that good hygiene is not a salvific requirement? It doesn’t have to do with good hygiene. It has to do with pharisaical requirements. The principle of truth we should learn is that man-made rules have no value for God. Rom 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Limited to sacraficial meat or not? The context of the chapter is offending a brother by eating meat which was sold in the market, which could have been sacrificed to idols. Verse 7 says that "none of us lives to himself." By our unconscious influence others may be encouraged and strengthened, or they may be discouraged, and repelled from Christ and the truth. Even if you see nothing wrong in doing something, “it is good [to not] do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.” About that EW statement, Noahs stock of cattle? Did he take more than 7 pairs of cattle on that ark? According to EGW, he brought his private herd. Israel was obviously given instruction about clean/unclean animals in context of food. But for what reasons? For health reasons or for other reasons?
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL
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It doesn’t have to do with good hygiene. It has to do with pharisaical requirements. The principle of truth we should learn is that man-made rules have no value for God.
Good, so, how do we know if a rule is manmade or not? About that EW statement, Noahs stock of cattle? Did he take more than 7 pairs of cattle on that ark? According to EGW, he brought his private herd. Does she write anything about if Noah was welthy or not? Would this herd be about tens of animals or hundreds of animals or thousands of animals or more? Israel was obviously given instruction about clean/unclean animals in context of food. But for what reasons? For health reasons or for other reasons? Good question, specially considering that there doesnt appear to be any punishment on breaking these (at least not in the main capter of lev 11)
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL
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Good, so, how do we know if a rule is manmade or not? Religious rules of people’s own devising are man-made. Does she write anything about if Noah was welthy or not? Would this herd be about tens of animals or hundreds of animals or thousands of animals or more? It was a small herd: “Noah had come forth upon a desolate earth, but before preparing a house for himself he built an altar to God. His stock of cattle was small, and had been preserved at great expense; yet he cheerfully gave a part to the Lord as an acknowledgment that all was His. In like manner it should be our first care to render our freewill offerings to God. Every manifestation of His mercy and love toward us should be gratefully acknowledged, both by acts of devotion and by gifts to His cause.” {PP 106} But for what reasons? For health reasons or for other reasons? Good question, specially considering that there doesnt appear to be any punishment on breaking these (at least not in the main capter of lev 11) In fact, when a person became unclean, there was a prescribed ritual regulation which could remove the uncleanness, but God speak of unclean meats in the OT as “an abomination” and of those who eat them as “abominable.” The word “abomination” is much stronger than the word “unclean” and was not applied to ceremonial uncleanness, but to something which was extremely repulsive to God. The question related to whether the clean/unclean distinction was given for health reasons is an extremely important one, because if it was given for health reasons, there is no way something unhealthy could suddenly become healthy.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL
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Good, so, how do we know if a rule is manmade or not? Religious rules of people’s own devising are man-made. Yes, but how do we know if a rule is manmade or not? Does she write anything about if Noah was welthy or not? Would this herd be about tens of animals or hundreds of animals or thousands of animals or more? It was a small herd: “Noah had come forth upon a desolate earth, but before preparing a house for himself he built an altar to God. His stock of cattle was small, and had been preserved at great expense; yet he cheerfully gave a part to the Lord as an acknowledgment that all was His. In like manner it should be our first care to render our freewill offerings to God. Every manifestation of His mercy and love toward us should be gratefully acknowledged, both by acts of devotion and by gifts to His cause.” {PP 106} This sounds to me as a pararell to Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. Noahs stock of cattle was the seven pairs that had been with him on the ark. The question related to whether the clean/unclean distinction was given for health reasons is an extremely important one, because if it was given for health reasons, there is no way something unhealthy could suddenly become healthy.
So which is it and how do we know?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL
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The question related to whether the clean/unclean distinction was given for health reasons is an extremely important one, because if it was given for health reasons, there is no way something unhealthy could suddenly become healthy. As I was pondering this question, I came across this: As God had formerly given them the herb of the ground and fruit of the field, now, in the peculiar circumstances in which they are placed, he permits them to eat animal food. Yet I saw that the flesh of animals was not the most healthful article of food for man. {1SP 79.1} So, even the flesh of clean animals is unhealthful. There's a quote that's even more pointed. After the curse was pronounced upon the human family, God permitted man to eat flesh-meat. This He did that life might be shortened. The punishment of death has been pronounced upon the race, and the permission to eat flesh-meat was one of the means used by God to inflict this punishment. {PC 1.3} Here we find that God allowed flesh to be eaten as a way to execute man. It looks like all meat, clean or unclean, is unhealthy, even deadly. Although there are various levels of unhealthiness, it's just a matter of degrees.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL
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Here's another one: He permitted that long-lived race to eat animal food to shorten their sinful lives. Soon after the flood the race began to rapidly decrease in size, and in length of years. {CD 373.3}
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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