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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: vastergotland] #80920
11/09/06 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Don’t you think that if we classify meat, at that time (as opposed to our times), as an unhealthful article of food we create a problem in view of the above incidents? I mean, would Jesus, for instance, multiply something unhealthful for the people to eat? Would He prepare something unhealthful for His disciples to eat?


I'm not sure. I haven't dug deep enough to get a solid answer to that. And I'm not sure that such an answer exists, since it would be based on "WWJD" rather than "Thus saith the Lord."
Isnt this reply most of all due to careless quoting? There is a "thus saith the Lord" in Rosangelas complete post, or even two...


I vehemently disagree. Sure, there are several "Thus saith the Lords" mentioned, but none answers the questions. If you think they do, please lay them out for me because I don't see it.

What I see is that the questions are fundamentally of the form, "Would Jesus do...?" I much prefer questions of the form, "Did God say...?"


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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: asygo] #80926
11/09/06 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: västergötland
Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Don’t you think that if we classify meat, at that time (as opposed to our times), as an unhealthful article of food we create a problem in view of the above incidents? I mean, would Jesus, for instance, multiply something unhealthful for the people to eat? Would He prepare something unhealthful for His disciples to eat?


I'm not sure. I haven't dug deep enough to get a solid answer to that. And I'm not sure that such an answer exists, since it would be based on "WWJD" rather than "Thus saith the Lord."
Isnt this reply most of all due to careless quoting? There is a "thus saith the Lord" in Rosangelas complete post, or even two...


I vehemently disagree. Sure, there are several "Thus saith the Lords" mentioned, but none answers the questions. If you think they do, please lay them out for me because I don't see it.

What I see is that the questions are fundamentally of the form, "Would Jesus do...?" I much prefer questions of the form, "Did God say...?"

Question: Did God say meat should be eaten?
Answer:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exo 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
Exo 12:9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
Exo 12:10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

Lev 10:12 And Moses spake unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons that were left, Take the meat offering that remaineth of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and eat it without leaven beside the altar: for it is most holy:
Lev 10:13 And ye shall eat it in the holy place, because it is thy due, and thy sons' due, of the sacrifices of the LORD made by fire: for so I am commanded.


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: vastergotland] #80930
11/10/06 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
Question: Did God say meat should be eaten?


I see now why you thought the questions were answered by a Thus saith the Lord. You had a totally different question in mind.

I agree with your answer to your question. God did command meat to be eaten.

Consider this. If we ate meat only under the circumstances that God commanded meat to be eaten, we should have been vegetarian 2000 years ago. Moreover, before Jesus was sacrificed, meat would have been eaten by the general public only once a year, and the priests only in the line of duty. Even then, it would only have been specific animals prepared in very specific ways.

Obviously, that has not been the history of meat-eating. I'm guessing that the presence of flesh in many people's diets do not stem from the divine injunction, but rather from the desire to gratify the flesh. IMO, that is more fatal than all the meat ever consumed.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: Rosangela] #80965
11/10/06 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
I’m not sure where I’m at.


Good to hear that. It's much more profitable to travel with one who is still on the journey, than with one who has already arrived.

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
the main factor involved in the shortening of man’s life-span is probably his intemperance.


I don't see it that way. To me, the SOP quotes lay the blame on the meat itself, not to intemperance. But of course, intemperance also gets a share of the blame.

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
But until Jesus’ time, and even many centuries after that, the animals seemed to be relatively free from diseases.


I can accept that, with the caveat that it is not reasonable to believe that Jesus' animals had less disease than Noah's animals.

But this point confirms my contention that meat, regardless of the disease it carries, is inherently life-shortening. Even the disease-free animals of Noah's time had that effect.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: asygo] #80983
11/10/06 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
the main factor involved in the shortening of man’s life-span is probably his intemperance.


I don't see it that way. To me, the SOP quotes lay the blame on the meat itself, not to intemperance. But of course, intemperance also gets a share of the blame.
Is Ellen White infalliable regarding meat?


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson Study #5 - Destruction and RENEWAL [Re: vastergotland] #80985
11/10/06 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: västergötland

Is Ellen White infalliable regarding meat?


This topic isn't about the infallibility of EGW, or even the Bible, therefore, let us NOT go there.

The SDA Church in its Fundamental Beliefs accepts the inspiration of the writings of EGW, which is sufficient for her quotes to be used authoritatively in this topic.


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Daryl smile

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