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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95234
02/04/08 03:45 PM
02/04/08 03:45 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Thomas,

According to God's original plan, the reproduction of both animals and humans would cease when the earth reached the ideal number of inhabitants. And, as to the new earth, we know that after a time we won't have the pleasure of seeing again human babies or children. However, the pleasures we will enjoy there will surpass by far those we enjoy here.
What? Where do you get this information from? Why go through the trouble of procreation and then take away the pleasure if he could just create the ideal population?


Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95239
02/04/08 04:51 PM
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The rose bud was created to bloom and then die to make space for the growing seed.

The logical conclusion of your reasoning would be that man was created to die in order to make space for the upcoming generations. Otherwise the world would be overpopulated. Is this what you believe?

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Darius] #95240
02/04/08 04:55 PM
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What? Where do you get this information from? Why go through the trouble of procreation and then take away the pleasure if he could just create the ideal population?


Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it."

Man should "fill" the earth. What do you think would happen after the earth was full? Was man created to live in overpopulated cities or in beautiful farms?

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Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95243
02/04/08 05:57 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
 Quote:
The rose bud was created to bloom and then die to make space for the growing seed.

The logical conclusion of your reasoning would be that man was created to die in order to make space for the upcoming generations. Otherwise the world would be overpopulated. Is this what you believe?
That would be the logical conclusion only if the flower was the essence of the rose. However, that is only true with the florist. There is root, stem and leaves which survive from one flowering to the next. Well, the leaves might not depending on where the rosebush lives, but the roots and stem will.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95244
02/04/08 05:58 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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What? Where do you get this information from? Why go through the trouble of procreation and then take away the pleasure if he could just create the ideal population?


Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it."

Man should "fill" the earth. What do you think would happen after the earth was full? Was man created to live in overpopulated cities or in beautiful farms?
We are not told what would happen after earth was full. We can only speculate.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95246
02/04/08 06:21 PM
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Well spoken V. I must fully agree with those sentiments.

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95248
02/04/08 09:30 PM
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 Originally Posted By: västergötland
Concerning carnivourous animals, there is nothing around in nature that would suggest how such a world would look like.

God said very clearly that both man and animals were only to eat plants, in Genesis 1:29,30. If we believe that, then God did not create animals carnivorous. Certainly these animals did not needto eat meat, as has been suggested.

Some things God has revealed, and other things He has not revealed. I see no value in speculating about things He has not revealed and which have no bearing on our present or future well-being.

I trust that God knew what He was doing, knows what He is doing and knows what He will do. \:\) He has revealed sufficient about His plans for us to be able to trust Him.

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Inga] #95249
02/04/08 09:49 PM
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God did not write the book of Genesis. Just think. Such a wise Creator creates animals some of which are carnivores and some are herbivores but declares that they must all eat vegetation. But some do not have the digestive capacity to handle vegetation. Wow.


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No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: vastergotland] #95251
02/04/08 10:23 PM
02/04/08 10:23 PM
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We are not told what would happen after earth was full. We can only speculate.

I don't think this is the case. The fact that there will be no marriage in the new earth makes clear that it wasn't God's plan that human beings procreated forever. Of course the same logic can be applied to animals.
How can someone believe that a God of love made creatures to kill and destroy other creatures? Have you seen a lion kill an antelope? Do you think that scene is a pleasant one to behold? Do you think that scene is in harmony with a perfect world and a loving God? The fact that there will be no carnivorous animals in the new earth says a lot about God.

“The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall feed; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The sucking child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)

Re: Is the story of the world wide flood a parabel or reality? [Re: Rosangela] #95253
02/04/08 10:57 PM
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Some resources for those seriously interested in the apparent conflict with observed "reality" and the biblical record that all creatures were given plant matter to eat:
Creation's Original Diet and Changes Since the Fall is a fairly lengthy, somewhat technical article for ths studious.

For lighter reading and actual examples among today's animal population:
Catching a Kinkajou - a bird classified as carnivorous due to its head and teeth structure turns out to be ..
. can you guess?
Piranha - a definite "proof" of a created carnivore, or is it?
Air attack - by parrots! Can you believe it?

And back to the original topic:
Noah's Ark - A Feasibiliity Study (I don't agree with all of Browning's assumption, such as the necessity of dried meat in the food supply. However, it is a worthwhile study on the "feasibility" aspect.)

Well, 'nuf for today ...


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