Right. But which compilations make it sound like she believed in a form of holy flesh?

Im sure we could find one if we look long enough among those sda who are today closest to it. Anyhow, it appears either I or my source would have been wrong about this scenario.

What did you hear about it? In what way did it imply Sister White believed in a modified form of holy flesh? Are you referring to Rosangela's idea that our flesh nature gradually stops tempting us from within to be unlike Jesus?

Look, I did not write or imply that Ellen would have beleived in any form of holy flesh but rather that she resisted it. But that is entierly irrelevant for wether people can and do compile her writings in such a way as to make it appear as if she did. People mangle her writings is whatever way best help whatever agenda they happen to have and I have to date not found a single case free from this when context has been consulted. Just to make an example I recently had, when some people claimed that Ellen supports the idea that Jesus second return is on hold until a people (sda's/faithfull sda's/the 144000) perfectly follow the law, taken way out of context in COL chapter 3. Even a surface reading of the chapter shows that Ellen had no such thing in mind. Fact is, Ellen is so missused among adventists, the majority of whom are in good standing, that nothing nobody claims about her can be safely taken by the claimers word.

So to conclude, if there is any minorly deviating teaching, any questionable concept or even devilish lie straight from hell found among adventists, you will find it supported with cleverly quoted Ellen sentences or words.

The message is not the same. If the problem were one only of people, there would be no hope of Christ's ever coming, but people are no better now than they were 150 years ago.

But if there is a message with power, and that message has not been heeded, then there is hope. All that needs to happen is for the message to be published.



Satan succeeded in shutting away from our people the message, but that will not always be the case, because at some point the message will "light the whole earth with its glory." It's been kept away from the world, but that will change some day, and when it does, Jesus' coming will be very near.



Not at all. EGW stated the importance of the message in relation to Jesus' coming on a number of occasions. I cited one instance above.



Not at all. If this were the case, Jesus Christ could have come long ago.



I'm not seeing how you get what you stated from what she wrote, but no matter, I agree that they need not be "spiritual giants," as their distinguishing feature is that they have believed a message. The power is in the gospel (which means "message"); the gospel is "the power of God ... for all who believe."

Thomas, it is true that Sister White confirmed the biblical idea that God will perfect 144,000 Sabbath-keepers during the little time of trouble.

Tom, I totally disagree with the idea that God is withholding a message necessary to be translated alive or to perfect a corporate group ready for translation. For the sake of discussion, though, what is the message? You say it started to be sounded and ended with corporate rejection of it.

Exactly 144000 of them? Not 144001 or 143999? Where might she have made such a confirmation?

Yes, Jesus will number and seal exactly 144,000 saints, exactly 12,000 each from 12 tribes. That's what it says in the Bible and the SOP. The numbers used in Daniel and the Revelation are always literal. Yes, the thing associated with the number is symbolic, but not the number itself. In this case, the 12 "tribes" are symbolic.

CET 58
Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai. {CET 58.1}

You think the 144,000 will only be Jews?