The issue of Creationism vs. Evolutionism is to some, a very hot topic, and to others, a done deal. We as Christians go to beautiful national parks to view our Creator's handiwork and yet are faced with informative signs and brochures that tell us that what we see happened millions of years ago. Evolution is taught everywhere and its influence over minds is staggering.

This topic is for the sharing and critiquing of information that can help us deal with the issue of evolution. It is meant not only to be informative, but also challenging. Here is a chance to literally play the Devil's advocate! Not to promote error, but to help each one of us use our critical thinking skills so that when we discuss this issue with non-believers, we will be better prepared. This is especially important in light of some of the unfortunate hoaxes that have led many well-meaning Christians to make fools of themselves.

We also need to share sound arguments in favor of our position. What a shame it would be if this thread led anyone to doubt that he is created in the image of God.

So lets quit monkeying around and get to the business of learning about our Father's world.

Dave

Many times you will hear Creationists argue that evolution defies the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Evolutionists argue that this is not a valid assertion because ours is not a closed system. What does this mean?

Any one care to take up the Sword of Truth and take a stab at this argument?

David, good to have you join us. Welcome. What are the basic laws of thermodynamics - first and second etc. I don't want to burden you. I can likely look them up, but if you have a minute, it might be helpful to put it down in writing and a short statement of how the evolutionists say we violate the law.

Isn't the 1st Law : "Energy cannot be created or destroyed."?

And #2, is:

"Energy spontaneously tends to flow only from being concentrated in one place to becoming diffused or dispersed and spread out."

Correct?

Interesting. I'm not up on what how the scientific community debate this, so I learned something.

This is a digression, but do you mind if I ask you Thomas, when you say most energy is from the sun, the other energy you're referring to is mainly geothermal? Are there any other significant sources.

Is there any proof that the earth's core is hot. I've heard that many mines heat up as you descend, but is that true of all mines? Sister White was shown some interesting things about earthquakes and volcanos that, if I remember right, are at odds with the accepted theories.

When talking with evolutionists, there is something that we are all missing, if the earth evolved after the “big bang”, where did the matter to even have a big bang come from? Go back far enough and evolutionists are out of answers.

Also, I’m sure we are all aware that the carbon dating system used in verifying how old something is is only “proven” to work for about 15,000 years. So when scientist say that something is older the 15,000 years they are guessing. They take something that they know is 15,000 years old and then compare it to what they are measuring and guestimate how much older it really is. Not very scientific is it.

In any case, if evolution was factual there would be evidence of intermediate species (missing links), but there are none. That fact alone debunks evolution.

Actually, for very old material (very old according to them) they use potasium argon dating which is supposedly more accurate. I'll need to check up on that.

It's puzzling how one could think that order can arise from something as chaotic as a "Big Bang."

I'm busy at the moment but I'll be able to post more later.

Dave

Regardless of what system they think the universe operates under, they can never explain where the universe or its building blocks originated.