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Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/12/03 11:43 PM
01/12/03 11:43 PM
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I have a question on the following quote from Testimonies To Ministers And Gospel Workers, page 407 which says: quote:
.....but Satan is wide-awake, and is studying and is counseling with his evil angels another mode of attack where he can be successful. The contest will wax more and more fierce on the paer of Satan; for he is moved by a power from beneath.
Can anybody tell me what Ellen White meant when she said that the devil is moved by a power from beneath?
Are there any other texts bringing forth this idea?
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:13 AM
01/13/03 12:13 AM
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I would think that one needs to look at other quotes which say similar ideas to get a well rounded picture. quote: Satan is moving with his power from beneath to inspire men to form alliances and confederacies of evil against light and against the Word of God. Infidelity, papacy, and semi-papacy are coming in close and powerful companionship with professed Christianity.... {TMK 345.3}
quote: Every satanic agency is now at work with power from beneath.....{UL 261.2}
quote: Satan is preparing his forces with a power from beneath.....{RH, December 11, 1888 par. 5}
quote: But the rulers were inspired by a power from beneath in their hatred toward Christ....{ST, January 31, 1900 par. 8}
History will be, and even now is being, repeated. The same power from beneath that worked in Christ's day is making itself known. Oppressive laws, which have not in them a particle of the Spirit of God, are being enacted. And the less men submit themselves in obedience to the law of God, the more zealously will they try to enforce human laws. They will teach for doctrine the commandments of men. {ST, January 17, 1900 par. 18}
quote: Inspiring them with a power from beneath, Satan infused their minds with subtle sentiments derogatory to God's character. ....{ST, May 7, 1902 par. 5}
quote: Satan is stirring his agents with intense power from beneath, urging those who cooperate with the powers of darkness to make as difficult as possible the path of all who believe the truth for this time..... {13MR 274.1}
quote: Satan stirs them up, by a power from beneath, with an intensity that reveals his enmity to God and His laws. They enact human laws that are oppressive and galling. {19MR 162.1}
quote: ....where are talented men and women who are moved by a power from beneath, inspired with Satan's venomous spirit. ....{KC 106.2}
I think these are pretty self-explanatory. It talks about a power, which is singular... the only one.
The Bible and SOP talk about only one evil power, and identifies that power as satan.
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:36 AM
01/13/03 12:36 AM
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It doesn't seem like Satan would be moved by Satan. Is it talking about selfishness, the power of evil?
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:44 AM
01/13/03 12:44 AM
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That is a good question, Bob.
Wasn't Christ accused of that?
And what was Christ's response?
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:45 AM
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Isn't satan the ONLY evil power in this universe? Or is the Bible and SOP wrong and there is more than one?? Doesn't the first quote I gave above answer this?? quote: Satan is moving with his power from beneath to inspire men to form alliances and confederacies of evil against light and against the Word of God. Infidelity, papacy, and semi-papacy are coming in close and powerful companionship with professed Christianity.... {TMK 345.3}
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:48 AM
01/13/03 12:48 AM
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There obviously isn't another evil power as it seems to me that the devil was referred to as the author of sin, was he not?
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:54 AM
01/13/03 12:54 AM
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Doesn't it say that when the devil and his angels and all the wicked are burned up, that will be the end of sin in the universe??
Now, what if there is an evil spirit still loose someplace???
And, BTW, WHERE IS "BENEATH"?????
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 12:58 AM
01/13/03 12:58 AM
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There is obviously no other devil, however, that is a good question on where beneath is.
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 07:24 AM
01/13/03 07:24 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett: There is obviously no other devil, however, that is a good question on where beneath is.
Daryl
Is it possible that this "power from beneath" is not quite literal?
"Beneath" may be referring to something beneath, or less than Christ and His righteousness.
The way SOP and Scripture depicts Satan and his demons counselling and working together; I get the picture that the power from beneath that moves Satan so, is the jubilant praise he gets from his evil angels...a kind of elixir if you will, that winds him into a similar thing to the feeding frenzy of sharks. Or Lions when they are really hungry.
Let us remember other Biblical descriptions of him that show him walking about AS a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
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Re: Satan is Moved by a Power From Beneath?
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01/13/03 03:13 PM
01/13/03 03:13 PM
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The way I see Satan and his angels is quite to the contrary.......They hate each other:
Testimonies for the Church Volume One The Power of Satan-----PG- 345
"If Satan sees that he is in danger of losing one soul, he will exert himself to the utmost to keep that one. And when [346] the individual is aroused to his danger, and, with distress and fervor, looks to Jesus for strength, Satan fears that he will lose a captive, and he calls a reinforcement of his angels to hedge in the poor soul, and form a wall of darkness around him, that heaven's light may not reach him. But if the one in danger perseveres, and in his helplessness casts himself upon the merits of the blood of Christ, our Saviour listens to the earnest prayer of faith, and sends a reinforcement of those angels that excel in strength to deliver him. Satan cannot endure to have his powerful rival appealed to, for he fears and trembles before His strength and majesty. At the sound of fervent prayer, Satan's whole host trembles. He continues to call legions of evil angels to accomplish his object. And when angels, all-powerful, clothed with the armory of heaven, come to the help of the fainting, pursued soul, Satan and his host fall back, well knowing that their battle is lost. The willing subjects of Satan are faithful, active, and united in one object. And although they hate and war with one another, yet they improve every opportunity to advance their common interest. But the great Commander in heaven and earth has limited Satan's power."
The evil ones are united in only one intrest....the fall of man. Satan is the author of hate/sin/lies/distruction.....and with satan and his evil angels there is no love, like or tolerance between them.
This following quote projects this saying to our times, the time of the spreading of the "Three angels Message". It seems me that "the power from beneath " simply means anything that comes against God and His truth that is in Jesus. We also know that the devil and all the evil he has made to come agains God would be this power. If this power is in Men of the world...it is from beneath, because it originates in evil and Satan. Like Jesus said "Whoever is not with me is against me? and Satan is against Him and if we/world is against Him we/world are with Satan and his evil angels and join the power from beneath.
Lift Him Up---Lift Him Up as the Divine Lawgiver -PG- 156
"If we would have the spirit and power of the third angel's message, we must present the law and the gospel together, for they go hand in hand. As a power from beneath is stirring up the children of disobedience to make void the law of God, and to trample upon the truth that Christ is our righteousness, a power from above is moving upon the hearts of those who are loyal to exalt the law, and to lift up Jesus as a complete Saviour. Unless divine power is brought into the experience of the people of God, false theories and ideas will take minds captive, Christ and His righteousness will be dropped out of the experience of many, and their faith will be without power or life. . . ."
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