Yeah, looks like old English to me as well..........and while it might be a little difficult to follow at first, given some time, it is actually rather easy. Sorry, I know this next part is off topic, but looking at the spelling of some of hte words brought to mind the epic Beowulf....which i HAD to read in my senior year in high school. I was SOOOO glad to be done with it....but it helped me to be able to read "olde" English! :-)

Well, if you would look at the publishing dates posted above the quotes you would see that it not only looks like old English but that it in fact is old english.

I know enough of both the NIV and the KJV to say that the KJV should be used as the main English language Bible in Bible study.

Would you elaborate on that Daryl?

Compare the NIV to the corrupt latin vulgate and you can see how the NIV has a very strong catholic background.
I have a old catholic english translated latin vulgate. Interesting read.

I have a question, what Bible did William Miller use? Or Elder J White and other founders us? It was the KJV and in a few cases they used a Interlinear Bible. It was not until the late 1800's did they start qouting the RV. When they did qoute this other Bible did not change the meaning nor did it bring in confussion.

Since the KJV was good enough for the founders and it was the Bible the the Holy Spirit worked through it should be good enough for every SDA memeber and non memeber.

Peace and Grace
David

NIV or KJV?

Sorry for the delay, just finished a 1600 mile move and just got back online.

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“Found a difference in the fourth chapter. The NIV says "They shall never enter my rest." while the KJV says "If they shall enter into my rest". A real difference. I couldnt understand the difference until I got the idea to check what Paul was quoting. Apparently he is quoting the 95th psalm which says in its last verse KJV "11Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
" The KJV in Hebrews is the only way to translate it according to the Strongs concordance. And it appears that NIV chose its translation from the original psalm. What to do with this I do not know.”


This is what I do with it J
In some KJV bibles in the margin it will read, “If they shall enter my rest” this is the correct translation by the Received Text.
Different KJV publishers have changed the margin readings. I have found so far anyway, that the Cambridge Bible is one of the best I have seen.
I believe that Paul was referring to the people that have hardened their hearts toward Christ and the truth they may not enter into His rest unless they change.

Concerning Matthew 17:20

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With this quote I would add the previous verses which says:

18And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Is the praying and fasting refering to gaining faith or is it refering to the casting out of demons?

I would say that it could be both. However, in this context it would be the casting out of satan and his fallen angels, as well it can pertain to any need that we may have throughout our lives.

Compare John 3:16.
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No, you are right. "Should" indicates a possibility while "shall" indicates a sertainity. Acording to KJV believing in God does not nessessarily mean you will not perish. What to do with that?

If I only believe in God then can this save me? If so, satan believes in God will he be saved also?
There is more to Salvation than just believing in God, is there not? Galatians 2:8-10 for one thing.

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What the Concordance entry for the word translated patience in KJV says:

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) steadfastness, constancy, endurance

a) in the NT the characteristic of a man who is not swerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings

b) patiently, and steadfastly

2) a patient, steadfast waiting for

3) a patient enduring, sustaining, perseverance
For Synonyms see entry 5861

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 32
AV - patience 29, enduring 1, patient continuance 1,
patient waiting 1; 32

From this we see that "patient endurance" is a valid translation and that "patient waiting" is the translation most often used in the KJV for this greek word. This in my opinion means that there isnt much of a case for "one is right, the other is wrong" in this particular case.

/Thomas

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I would say that from the writings of the founders that they used the KJV and the Holy Spirit used this Bible to bring up this movement why should we use another "bible"? Also, the KJV has stood the test of time. The first beast of Revelation has tried to destroy the KJV and could not. Since the whore of Babylon could not destroy the KJV out right what did she do? She put out more corrupt texts, claiming that they were older and better and some false teaches jumped on it and retranslated the "bible". These new translations undermine the KJV. Where did these “new” older texts come from and where were they found?????? Hint, two places

Also, a point about the NIV, some of the manuscripts that was used in its writings came from a man named "Gephart" (might be misspelled), who was a high priest for Hitler(WWII)Him and his son wrote their own "bible" translation. Some of their translation was included into the NIV. By the way "Gephart" was tried for war crimes at the end of WWII and found guilty and hung.

Peace and Grace
David

Just a little story about translations. I knew a lady who was giving Bible studies to a Catholic couple who insisted on using their Bible. She ended up proving to them that the Sabbath was the 7th day using the Catholic Bible. I found that interesting.

Redfog


The Catholic D R Bible is very similar to the KJV. Not suprising this bible has a strong Jesuit hand in it. It also came out really close tothe time that the KJV came out. The Catholic D R was to combat the KJV.

Peace and Grace
David

I had read somewhere that the pilgrims who came over on the Mayflower did not use the KJV because it was "politically correct" and they felt that King James was under Catholic influence, and the version the chose was the Geneva Bible. I cant confirm if this is true or not, but I will look into this further.
Now on the otherhand making a statement that every SDA should be using the KJV doesn't ring to well with me since I am of a Hispanic background, in fact Hisoanic background,foreground, inside and out A Bible translation that came out before the KJV was called Reina Valera, and there is a 1960 revised edition of this Bible, and it is a Protestant Bible translation. When my autn reads verses to me over the phone while discussing deep things, it brings memories of my childhood where we used that Bible, the words are very powerful. Anyways something to think about considering not every SDA speaks English, or prefers the English language.
God Bless,
Will

How many of those years of KJV only where due to the nonexistence of the other translations? How long after the publishing of the other translations did it take for them to be used by these pioneers?