At Sabbath School today, someone said Jesus was stoned, while carrying the cross on the road to Calvary. Has anyone heard of this?

TX CC this is a falsehood. There are alot of falsehoods said about Jesus. We can test them all by the Bible.

TX CC did you know that this area is for testing and learning how to use the forum? Would you lke me to move this to an area where others can study with you about this?

Thanks, I would appreciate that. I never found anything about the stoning of Jesus, on the web, or closeby. I do know it isn't in the Bible. Thank again.

I believe the Bible shows an instance or two where they unsuccessfully tried to either stone Jesus, or throw Him off a cliff.

I will let Avalee move this topic.

TX CC I have moved this to the Bible Study area.

I too have not found anything in the Bible about Jesus being stoned on the way to the cross.

Maybe someone else has read it somewhere.

While I do not know the context, I don't know what's going on, but I have speculation that there is probably one of two things behind this comment:

The first is that they may have imagined people throwing stones as well as insults on people being crucified, thinking that although not mentioned in the Bible, that it being a natural part of hanging there being revialed.

The other possibility is that they were half asleep in a Bible class that they were required to take but not interested in and caught part of what was said and not the rest of the message.
May I refer you to sources such as J. Dukahn's "Drinking at the Sources" and Jim Fleming "The Death of Jesus and the Jews." among others.

The Sanhedren, or as they were called in Hebrew "Elders" consisted of three subgroups of 23, consisting of Pharisees and Saducees, then with the High Priest made 70 elders. To make decisions you needed at least one group of 23 meeting.

Twenty three Saducees, often with the high priest as the 24th Saducee would meet as 24 Elders, with no Pharisees allowed, to try to deal with would be Messiahs, or other religious leaders who they felt would rock the boat. These Elders were allowed to stone people to death for religious reasons. However the Saducees learned NOT to involve Pharisees due to the fact that the Pharisees tended to want a somewhat fair trial but would often dissagree with what was wrong and right. These 24 Saducees did not have these scruples. They knew that their power, authority and wealth came from keeping the peace. They did not even try to make a trial sound fair, as they would have witnesses who's testomony would dissagree with each other, and then they would pronunce the would be Messiah (or other religious figure) guilty. The European Jewish communities, through history, has had a phrase "Saduceen Court" which meant the same as what we mean when we use the phrase "Kangroo Court."

Caiphas and Pilate worked together. The 24 Saduceen Elders could ONLY put people to death for religious reasons, not political, and Pilate's juristictions was in political. Pilate would refer people who could be stoned to death for religious reasons to Ciaphas, and Ciaphas would refer people who could be put to death by crucifiction for political reasons to Pilate. Just as the Saducees would play with their victim by having witnesses who contridicted each other, so Pilate loved to play wishy washy as if he could not make up his mind, giving the victim hope until he would let them take the person out for crucifiction.

Now, sometimes if a religious leader was very popular with the people, instead of charging them with religious accusations, the Saducees would turn the person over to Pilate for crucifiction. There is the text that anyone who dies on a tree is cursed of God. This was a way to distroy the followers of the religious leader. This text was used to ruin someone's reputation as we today use evidence of sexual imorality to ruin someone's reputation. Pilate having this person crucified on a tree caused the followers to say "This person must not have been sent from God." That is why it was so shocking for the followers of Jesus to say that the true Messiah was crucified on a cross.

As to the Pharicees, they ran the whole range from those who had a relationship with God, to those who were hipocrits and all ranges in between. Jesus had friends, enemies and those trying to make up their minds among the Pharicees. When Herrod wanted to arrest Jesus, some of Jesus' friends who were Pharicees risked their lives to warn him so that he could escape.

Although Jesus did indeed have enemies among the Pharicees, we have only record of one Pharicee that was so full of hate that he would cooperate with the 24 Saducees in their underhanded trials, and that was a rich young ruller named Saul.

The only Pharisee's we see actually involved with the death of Jesus was Joseph and Nichodemus. We also find that for 14 years the followers of Jesus were under the protection of Rabbi Gamiel. The event with Saul and Stephen was Saul saying that Gamiel's protection was only for good Judian-Galliean Hebrew Speaking Jews, and not for Hellinistic Greek Speaking Jews. For about 14 years the Church leaders were free and able to lay the foundation of the church under a Pharisee's protection. It was not until he became too old to have power that the persecution spread to the Hebrew Speaking Christians.

In the late first century, long after the fall of Jerusalem, the book of John would not give much differentiation between the different Jewish sects and would often lump them together under the terms "Jews" for and "Pharicees" for any and every subgroup of Jews, because these other subgroups no longer existed when John wrote so only the other terms would make a little sence to his audience unless they were aged. In AD 135, the Church and Synogogue split into two sepperate religions, and Christians started to develope the tradition of the Pharisees being involved with the death of Jesus, Pilate being a nice guy and forced by the Jews to crucify Jesus because they could not put anyone to death.

The person may have heard a college professor point out these facts, only hear about how the Sanhedren could stone people to death and get it out of the context and thus make the statement.

Moveing off this topic and on to an interesting note: If it is the same John who wrote Revelation, as who was the Disciple that Jesus Loved, then this disciple saw Jesus stand before the 24 Saduceen elders giving a false testomony about Jesus, and later their heavenly counter part, the 24 Elders, who's message the earthly group were suposed to reflect, but who gave the true testomony of Jesus.

I hope this helps.

I just read this somewhere else recently. Deja vu. (Except this is real)

The person may have once read the following text and couldn't quite remember how it read:

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John 8:59 MKJV Then they took up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by.

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This was also the one I was thinking about in my earlier post.

I also came across this one:

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John 10:31 MKJV Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, I have shown you many good works from My Father; for which of these do you stone Me?
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because you, being a man, make yourself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, "I said, You are gods?"
35 If He called those gods with whom the Word of God was, and the Scripture cannot be broken,
36 do you say of Him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me.
38 But if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works so that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.
39 Then they again sought to seize Him, but He went forth out of their hand.

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This was another example of an unsuccessful attempt to stone Him.

The title of this topic makes me do a double-take every time I read it.