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Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 #104388
11/09/08 02:32 AM
11/09/08 02:32 AM
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Here is the link to this weeks study and discussiob, which is a continuation of last week's study:

http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/08d/less07nkjv.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: Daryl] #104389
11/09/08 02:35 AM
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The key focus of this one is "to look at the atoning work of Christ as revealed particularly in the Day of Atonement sanctuary service."


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Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: Daryl] #104507
11/10/08 09:41 PM
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Sunday's section highlights the following:
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The Israelite sacrificial system was centered on and operated within the sanctuary, the earthly dwelling of God. It was the center of life and of holiness in Israel. Within that unique space God dealt with the problem of sin. He commanded the Israelites to build an altar in the courtyard of the sanctuary, and it was upon this altar that the sacrificial blood was placed in order to make atonement for the people (Lev. 17:11).

In the plan of salvation, the life of the animal stood for the life of the repentant sinner, and God would accept the death of the innocent animal instead of the sinner. The altar was a symbol of God’s presence (Ps. 43:4), and by accepting the sacrifice, God was assuming responsibility for the sin of the person. In other words, the Lord was telling the Israelites, “If you have sinned and want to get rid of this enslaving power, bring it to Me, to My dwelling place, and I will take care of it. Bring it to Me!” The Israelites left the sanctuary blessed by the Lord and justified by His grace (Pss. 24:3–5, 118:26).

In other words, salvation was by grace, even before Christ's death on the cross.
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All this was symbolic of the work of Jesus, our real High Priest. The heavenly sanctuary is the dwelling of God within the cosmos, and the place from which He rules as King of the universe; it’s also the place in which the sin problem is being resolved. The cross was the altar on which the sacrifice was offered for us. Today God says to us, “If you want freedom from sin, and forgiveness of sin, come to the altar of sacrifice where My Son paid the penalty for your sins!

Someone asked a friend, “How can I know what God is really like?” The person responded, “Look at Jesus on the cross, dying for the sins of the world.” How does the Cross tell us what God is really like? What comfort and hope can you draw for yourself from that revelation of God?


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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: Daryl] #104626
11/14/08 08:41 PM
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This, especially the part I bolded, is a very heavy and thought provoking statement from Tuesday's section:
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However much the Day of Atonement was a corporate event, involving the whole nation, each individual had a role to play in giving himself or herself over to the Lord completely. Those who were not found resting in the Lord and humbling themselves before Him were to be “cut off from his people” (Lev. 23:29, NIV). However harsh that sounds, the point is to emphasize how solemn the work of salvation was. The passage is, among other things, promoting perseverance in one’s walk with the Lord.

Isn't this also true today?


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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: Daryl] #104650
11/15/08 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
This, especially the part I bolded, is a very heavy and thought provoking statement from Tuesday's section:
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However much the Day of Atonement was a corporate event, involving the whole nation, each individual had a role to play in giving himself or herself over to the Lord completely. Those who were not found resting in the Lord and humbling themselves before Him were to be “cut off from his people” (Lev. 23:29, NIV). However harsh that sounds, the point is to emphasize how solemn the work of salvation was. The passage is, among other things, promoting perseverance in one’s walk with the Lord.

Isn't this also true today?

Oh, how true today, too, but the first half of Tuesday's section is more positive, isn't it?...
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The Day of Atonement ritual illustrated the final resolution of the
sin problem, the consummation of the salvation as experienced
through the daily services. The whole tabernacle was to be cleansed,
the Holy and Most Holy Places. They needed cleansing because of the
“uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have
been” (Lev. 16:16, NIV). These sins had been transferred to the divine
dwelling through the sacrifices brought by repentant sinners. During
the Day of Atonement the tabernacle was restored to its original pristine
cleanliness and holiness. On that day, once a year, there was a
fragment of space that, like the Garden of Eden, was free from the
presence of sin and impurity. This “return” to Eden, celebrated at the
end of the year, provided a fresh beginning for the people of Israel. It
pointed to a new beginning of cosmic proportions (compare Dan.
8:14).

The texts indicate the all-encompassing nature of the cleansing,
because all the sins of all the people were dealt with. It was a corporate
act, dealing with Israel as a whole. This was God’s final disposition
of the sin problem
in Israel for that year, and it prefigured the
final disposition of sin
at the end of time (Heb. 9:28).
"Final resolution of the sin problem" is removal of the "presence of sin" from the life, that is the character, of the repentant sinner - who remained sinful, as illustrated by the day of atonement of all the sinners completing their annual salvation experience.

That is exactly and primarily why OUR church exists!! This gospel teaching and promise of eradication of sin from the life, as Israel experienced on its annual judgement day, despite being sinful, is the self same work of Jesus as High Priest now, today, with us. Despite the lesson author, Angel Rodriguez, and the church officially come to that, not supporting complete victory over sin as Gospel teaching, this week's lesson, and this day's section enunciates why perfectly righteous living is both possible and very much Gospel teaching, for God himself gives the sacrifice, the righteousness and the power to make it happen. That's the sanctuary service illustration of the Gospel.

The heavenly sanctuary service does that which the earthly service could only hint at: cleansing the believer's life, ie. character, of the presence or traits of sin, imparting to the believer and filling his life with Christ's righteous traits of character, "till we all come, in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ". (Eph 4:13)

Christian perfection isn't just Christ for us, but Christ in us, too, for Rev 19:8 says that righteousness imparted to us produces righteous deeds of the saints which is the fabric of the wedding dress of the Lamb's bride: that is "Christ in you, the hope of glory". I'm glad the lesson managed to state this truth, even if many in the church doubt it can be true or actually don't believe it at all.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: Colin] #104677
11/16/08 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Colin
Christian perfection isn't just Christ for us, but Christ in us, too,

Amen! Well said. Thank you.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: Mountain Man] #104781
11/18/08 04:22 AM
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How about Sequeira's take: Christ AS us.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #7 - Atonement in SYMBOLS: Part 2 [Re: asygo] #104791
11/18/08 10:59 AM
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Sequeira's take...indeed, but that bit is about grace - Christ's historical actions on earth, and...is as disliked by most theologians in the church as the bit I mentioned of Christ in us, the personal experience of righteousness we get with justification by faith.

Sounds like you like Sequeira's "in Christ" motif that the church is sadly against?

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