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Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #105244
11/27/08 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Yes, Satan knew God's love. But he stopped at the intellectual level (step 2 in my ladder). He did not trust God's love, that God loved him enough to give him everything that was good for him.

Did Lucifer ever make it past "step 2", the intellectual level, before he sinned and rebelled? If so, what led to his lack of faith in God? Why did he question His love? Personally, taking into consideration the quotes I posted above, I don't think we can know why. What do you think?

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #105257
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I don't think we can know why. However, we can know what happened, and take steps to avoid it happening to us.


By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #105285
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Amen! Lucifer knew God so well it is a mystery to me that he ended up rebelling. If it weren't for the fact God says sin shall not arise a second time I would fear it could. If it can happen to Lucifer who am I to think it couldn't happen to me? Thank you Jesus for the promise in Nahum 1:9.

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #105298
11/29/08 04:56 AM
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That's why the SOP says, "Know and believe the love that God has to us, and you are secure; that love is a fortress impregnable to all the delusions and assaults of Satan." {MB 119.2} Mere intellectual assent to a set of facts, despite how our church does things, does not constitute conversion.


By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #105426
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Is there any objective way to know a person has experienced genuine rebirth? Can we know it about ourselves?

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #105431
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We are told that we will know them by their fruits. However, it is nearly impossible to know all of a person's fruits this side of eternity.

But we can know it about ourselves. Even though our deceitful hearts make it difficult, it is possible. We must ask ourselves: Who has the thoughts, who has the heart, of whom do we love to think and converse? Honest answers to questions along this line will help reveal where we stand.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #105435
12/02/08 02:38 AM
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Quote:
Is there any objective way to know a person has experienced genuine rebirth? Can we know it about ourselves?


Regarding ourselves

Quote:
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Romans 8)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Tom] #105536
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Amen! Thank you, Arnold and Tom. The Holy Spirit never leaves us in darkness or under the spell of the deceitfulness of sin. In Christ we are dead to sin and awake to righteousness and true holiness. And we definitely know it when we're not abiding in Jesus, when we've reverted back to the mind of the old man. God loves us too much to leaves us in sin or ignorance.

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