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Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS #107812
01/31/09 04:51 PM
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Here is the link to the study material for this topic on Testing The Prophets:

http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/09a/less06nkjv.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107814
01/31/09 05:02 PM
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The Memory Text is a good and relevant way to begin this one.
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“Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:20, 21, NKJV).

I bolded the part that is the focus on this particular topical study.


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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107815
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The following from the Sabbath Afternoon Section is also very relevant:
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Fundamental Belief number 18 states, “One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White, the Lord's messenger. Her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.”—Seventh-day Adventists Believe, 1988, p. 247. (See Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)


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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107837
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Here are the questions we will be trying to answer throughout this week for discussion in our Sabbath School classes this coming Sabbath:

1 - How did God communicate to His prophets?
2 - What are the biblical tests of a true prophet?
3 - What is conditional prophecy? Are prophets infallible?
4 - Why do we believe that Ellen G. White’s visions and prophetic dreams were from God?


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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107838
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From Sunday's section under the title "Dreams And Visions":
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And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions” (Joel 2:28).

The following question is also asked there:

How did God communicate with individuals whom He called to the prophetic office?

The obvious answer is through dreams and visions, however, I also read where angels have also been involved in communicating with these individuals.

From a quote by EGW there:
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During her seventy-year ministry (1844-1915) Ellen White received an estimated two thousand visions and prophetic dreams. “At times I am carried far ahead into the future and shown what is to take place. Then again I am shown things as they have occurred in the past. After I come out of vision I do not at once remember all that I have seen, and the matter is not so clear before me until I write, then the scene rises before me as was presented in vision, and I can write with freedom.”—Ellen G. White, Selected Messages, book 1, p. 36.

Also a quote about EGW from an eye-witness at a GC Session:
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At the General Conference session in 1893 J. N. Loughborough said: “I have seen Sister White in vision about fifty times. She has been examined while in vision by skillful physicians, and we have testimonials from them which declare that the phenomena of her visions are beyond their comprehension.”—General Conference Daily Bulletin, January 29, 1893.


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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107839
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This is also worth noting from Sunday's material:
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Often her visions were given while she was in the presence of others, who observed certain physical phenomena—she did not breathe, she had supernatural strength (no one could move her limbs), and she was unconscious of her surroundings. Adventists and non-Adventists have testified to the supernatural character of her visions.

I bolded the more relevant part of the above quote. Take note that also "non-Adventists have testified to the supernatural character of her visions."


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107847
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While I believe EGW was a prophet, I don't put much stock in the supernatural circumstances of the visions. I think Satan can mimic those.

What seals the deal is that what she wrote matches the Bible - to the law and the testimony.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: asygo] #107861
02/04/09 07:10 PM
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And that is the focus of Monday's section under the title Agreement With the Bible.

The following questions are asked there:

1 - What is one of the most important tests of a true prophet (Isa. 8:20)?

2 - Why should this be so important?

In relation to the first question, here is what Isaiah 8:20 says:
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Isaiah 8:20 To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107863
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In relation to what Arnold posted and to the questions asked in Monday's section and the reference given, I agree with the following there:
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Law (Heb. torah) is the common biblical term for the inspired writings of Moses (Deut. 4:44, 31:9); the testimony refers to the witness of the prophets (2 Chron. 23:11, John 3:32). In other words, what a prophet says must harmonize with what God has revealed already. Though later prophets may reveal additional insights regarding the plan of salvation, they will not contradict what God has said before. God’s unchangeableness (Mal. 3:6) is at stake in His revelations to humanity.


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Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #6 - Testing the PROPHETS [Re: Daryl] #107875
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Here are two excellent questions from the bottom of Monday's Section:

1 - Why must harmony with the Bible be our final test of everything moral, spiritual, and theological?

2 - Why must we have a final authority, especially in spiritual and theological matters?


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