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does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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Yes, I believe He literally dwells within those who are abiding in Jesus.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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There is no house set up in our hearts in which Jesus lives. Jesus is in heaven. The Holy Spirit doesn't "live" in our hearts, like we live in a house. This is a metaphor, designed to convey intimacy. God literally has a relationship with us. He literally communicates with us through the Holy Spirit.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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i think that is where a true understanding of the personality of God would come in.
since God is a literal physical Being how could/would He personally dwell in each of us?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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Great topic Teresa! A metaphor? Come on Tom. Is the born again experience a metaphor too? You came from an Evangelical background, and don't believe in the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ? There must be something that made you change your mind. If it's not too personal, can you tell us? 1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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A metaphor? Come on Tom. Is the born again experience a metaphor too? "Born again" is a metaphor. Trying to understand it literally was the problem Nicodemus had (The experience isn't a metaphor, however). You came from an Evangelical background, and don't believe in the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ? I believe in it. I understand it to mean the communion we have with the Spirit by our minds. What do you understand it to mean? There must be something that made you change your mind. If it's not too personal, can you tell us? Change my mind about what? There are some Evangelical which believe that the Spirit communes with our spirit (akin to our immortal soul) in some mystical way. Is this what you have in mind?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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The texts of Scripture go beyond ideas of communication or communion. They convey the idea of an abiding presence. God not only communicated His will to Israel, He dwelt among them. There was a visible presence which was a symbol of His literal presence in the heart of the believer. Emmanual, one of the prominant names of Christ, is given as an assurance of His literal presence through the Holy Spirit in the soul's temple.
It is related to the born again experience and its a mystery. We don't know exactly how it works. We know we sence God near us with our brains, but our brains are only a physical organ. We tend to think our minds and brains are about the same but the word mind in English is more synonimous with the conscious thought process. God is more intimate than that. We are all individuals and His Spirit connects in unique ways with each individual on all levels, conscious, subconscious, emotional and spiritual.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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I just want to add that this unique connection is there regardless of whether we're awake or sleeping. If God is in us, it's an ongoing, prevading influence over our emotions, our thoughts and our subconscious beings. It's an indwelling presence and communion of the Spirit with our spirit.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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The texts of Scripture go beyond ideas of communication or communion. They convey the idea of an abiding presence. Which we only know by through our minds. God not only communicated His will to Israel, He dwelt among them. There was a visible presence which was a symbol of His literal presence in the heart of the believer. Surely you don't mean in the muscle? Or the chest area? The "heart" represents the mind, where a person does his deepest and innermost thinking. Emmanual, one of the prominant names of Christ, is given as an assurance of His literal presence through the Holy Spirit in the soul's temple. Which is in the mind again, right? For example, when we are told to love the Lord with all our soul, doesn't that mean with all of our being? That is, the entirety of our will, our ability to perceive God and respond to Him. It is related to the born again experience and its a mystery. We don't know exactly how it works. We know we sense God near us with our brains, but our brains are only a physical organ. We tend to think our minds and brains are about the same but the word mind in English is more synonymous with the conscious thought process. God is more intimate than that. We are all individuals and His Spirit connects in unique ways with each individual on all levels, conscious, subconscious, emotional and spiritual. The mind encompasses all these things; that is, conscious, subconscious (i.e. "subconscious mind"). What is spirituality if not an activity of the mind? As SDA's we don't believe in a soul or spirit which has a presence in our being independent of the mind. Once our mind is gone, we have no more ability to have communion with God. Ellen White speaks of this, in pointing out the importance of taking care of our health. I'm not sure how well I've understood your thoughts Mark, so I may be "scratching where it doesn't itch" in some of my comments. Awaiting your clarification, Tom
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: does God literally dwell in us, or by faith?
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Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? we know that the bible did not mean adam and eve, and even less so subsequent married couples, were literally to become one flesh. we understand that to mean that they were to become so close to each other that they would be as if one flesh. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. we know that doesnt mean they were one person, or the same person. but so close and connected it was as if they were the same person. and Gods intent for us: Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: and so these verses: Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.... Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
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Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. we know that we do not physically dwell in God, and so we should know that neither the HS, Christ, nor God literally dwells in us. but it says if we love one another then we know that God-the Father-"dwells" in us. it is the closeness we can have that the scriptures are trying to convey to us. one with another but only as we have that oneness with God. guess we better get busy. well, at least i better. i know im seriously lacking here.........
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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