Can animals sin?

I guess I would regard what Daryl said about worship and corporate worship.

Animals lie. You tell a dog he can't go somewhere, and he goes there, and you ask him about it, he won't admit it.

Let us not go off on a tangent here.

while God rested on the seventh day, He was still working.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God rested from creating this earth. there was nothing more He could do for it to make it more "good". but He continued working.

acknowledge the continual working of God in nature. Deity is the author of nature. The natural world has in itself no inherent power but that which God supplies. How strange, then; that so many make a deity of nature! God furnishes the matter and the properties with which to carry out his plans. Nature is but his agency. {GCDB, March 6, 1899 par. 8}
The hand of God is continually guiding the globe in its continuous march around the sun. The same hand which holds the mountains, and balances them in positions, guides and keeps in order the respective planets. All the wonderful glories in the heavens are but doing their appointed work. Vegetation flourishes because of the agencies employed by the great and mighty God. He sends the dew and the rain and the sunshine, that verdure may spring forth, and spread its green carpet over the earth, that the shrubs and the fruit-trees may bud and blossom and bring forth fruit. It is not to be supposed that a law is set in operation for the seed to work of itself,--that the leaf appears because it must do so of itself. It is through the immediate agency of God that every tiny seed breaks through the earth, and springs into life. Every green leaf grows, every flower blooms, through the working power of God. {GCDB, March 6, 1899 par. 9}

the priest worked more on the sabbath day than any other day.

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

while we are not to put our animals to work as we would any other day, my observations on this ranch is that they do the same things on the sabbath as they do any other day.

the birds and bees and other wild animals also do the same things every day regardless of what day it it.

they all hunt food.

My sheeps don't hunt for food, they just take a step and eat. And then lie down to chew their cud. However, it is true that the farm animals and a great majority of animals we observe today there's not that much differences from any other day. But we shouldn't forget we are living with 6000 years of degenerative and subjection to sin. Should we assume that's how it is going to be in the new earth or in heaven also? Are we to assume that animals can't keep the sabbath?

The bees in Brazil is a true phenomena. The bee keepers knows that these amazonian wild bees do rest every sabbath for as long as they have known from generation of keeping bees. I don't think they have any incentive to lie to Dr.Sang Lee when asked the question. Are we going to label as lyers the many generations bee keepers, Dr. Sang Lee who eye witness the phenomena, and the missionaries that reported the same? Do we need to have an extensive Scientific study before we can talk about this phenomena on this forum?

I can't believe how much resistance there is in beholding God's wonders. God preserve this unique phenomena for our growth, so we can pondered on it and be blessed in return.

We're up to 5 pages and we still haven't started talking about God's wonders in relation to these bees. I see no possibility of sharing and discussing what Dr.Lee shared with this persistent <resistance> spirit here.

Ummm....


I don't believe anyone asked for "extensive" study. But do you think it wrong to ask for evidence to back up a claim? Do you think just because someone (else) says, I had a dream, we should therefore conclude it is true?

I for one can't believe how some are so willing to believe anything someone says. I guess I've lived long enough to have been duped often enough to use caution when someone wants to sell me ocean front property in Arizona.

Evolutionists tell us scientists are experts and they tell us life is billions of years old. Should we therefore believe it is true?

I recall objecting to someone who forwarded an e-mail about McDonald's teaming up with Bill Gates to give them lots of money for just forwarding the e-mail to everyone they knew. I questioned if that was even reasonable. They responded that it might not be true, but they have to believe it because they hated their job and this was the only way out.
Urban legend is what it was called.


What's so wrong with asking if the bees do rest?
What's so wrong to ask when do they rest?
What's so wrong to ask how do they rest?
What's wrong with asking how many observed this?
What's wrong with asking why searching for "Sabbath keeping bees" only turns up the one video site (without text) and this one?
What's so wrong with asking what would be the purpose of them resting?
What's so wrong with asking why just these bees and not others?
What's so wrong with asking if bees can sin?
What's so wrong with asking how that enters into the corporate worship idea?

What's wrong with critical thinking?

What is the scientific name of these bees? Perhaps that would yield more results.

This seems to be a good article, and mentions a number of the possible species within the genus. So far in this thread, I have seen only the genus referenced, so it may be that multiple species exhibit the same behavior. In any case, the article is good, and I learned a few things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meliponini

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

perhaps this is the problem in understanding. somehow you connected sheep with the last sentence instead of the sentence that came before the last sentence.

aside from that, you have brought a few topics here that i get the distinct impression one is to accept without question or reservation, regardless of the evidence to the contrary, or how one reads that evidence. if not believed i have seen a very unnerving judgmental position taken.

that spirit has forced millions for centuries to accept false beliefs and will be used to force sabbath keepers to keep sunday.

my bible is insistent that i study Christ and Him crucified for my salvation. it does not say i have to accept spurious beliefs of others.

what "growth" might that be? it seems to me that a more convincing fact would be if all creatures, domestic or wild, "rested" on the sabbath and were miraculously cared for that one day, than bees that the vast majority of people will never know about. but it seems that God wants us to accept the sabbath because we love Him and has no intention of forcing anyone, in any form, to accept it for any other reason.

and our "sheeps", goats, cows, etc., come in at night and have to walk to where the pasture is. once that is nubbed down they have to look for more. i would say that is a form of "hunting".

Yes Teresa, I did connect that last sentence to the farm animals too. However, nevertheless I did agree with your point and developped it further. I think you miss my next sentence yourself as followed:


Teresa, I just wanted to share something wonderful about this phenomena which I haven't had a chance yet. And definetly you are not helping this situation either.

There's something really important and if we explore what Dr. Lee is saying, it would be a blessing.
Hunting it is. I have no problem with that.