Me too, Mark. It will be interesting to see the examples you present.

Here's one: This one says the trumpets of Rev 8 & 9 are future:

Here's another one. This one places both the trumpets and the seals of Rev 6 in the future:


See also T9 267 where Ellen White links the seals to the plagues as she does in the above passage. To keep it short I haven't quoted the full passage above, but this passage links all three - the plagues, seals, and trumpets - and places them in the future.

There are many more fascinating quotes that would challenge our views. I'll be posting more samples but I don't have time to make many comments. The quotes are quite clear on their own though. I'll try to post more tomorrow but these just give you a taste. There are similar statments from her pen on most, if not all of the major prophecies of Daniel and Revelation.

As long as the meaning of the trumpets as they apply to past events isn't thrown away, I don't think there's a problem, as far as our views is concerned. There has been a discussion regarding whether the events in Revelation have multiple fulfillments for a long time. This is not new.

I think it would be a big help if you could include comments, like you have here. Just a sentence or two is fine. That should take a trivial amount of time compared to finding the right quotes, and copying and pasting them. I believe it helps a great deal, as the short comment makes clear how the quotes illustrate the point you're wishing to make.

Looking forward to seeing the quotes.

What if the meaning of the past application are not sound? I know this is not new, but have we learn anything from the past threads?

Did the Ottoman Empire really fall in 1840 and is it related to the 7 trumpets?
http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=107899#Post107899

Show me with the Bible how Trumpet #5 applies to the fall of the Ottoman Empire and show me objective historical prove that the Ottoman Empire did fall in 1840.

Litch that made this Bible study and prediction,later on wrote in another of his book, that he was wrong. However, U. Smith kept the interpretation as true in his. So since U.Smith book has been endorse by Ellen White, now we are married to this interpretation despite the fact Litch said he was wrong. What if it were false and Ellen White never meant to say it was true?

If you can show me these, please respond in the Ottomen Empire thread that I provided the link for so to not vear off-topic in this thread.

Agreed Mark.

"Let us read and study the 12th chapter of Daniel. It is a warning we shall all need to understand before the time of the end." - Letter 161. July 30, 1903.

I believe we're asleep at the switch. Over 150 years as a 'movement' and nothing substantially new in prophetic understanding. As if the Bible were limited. It's a very sorry state.

Confusion and stagnation have resulted from rejecting light. The repentance of Daniel 9 is required. It won't happen at the Corporate level, but individually.

Much baggage needs be jettisoned, books burned, etc.

Whatever selected texts apply to the time of Jacobs trouble doesn't make even that application futurist. Futurism is applying Dan 8:9-14 to our future, not the trumpets or seals. Expecting the tribulation to precede the 2nd Coming, and have prophetic characteristics repeating themselves - even the little horn's fulfilment repeating itself, is a continuation of historicism, not so.

Gordon study of prophecy for our future hasn't stopped, that I've seen. The only wrong move is dismantling historicism for the little horn and its time periods.

The repentance of Dan 9 is a thing to be studied, too, and it is corporate - whatever the likelihood of that is!

How much more detail do we need for the future than that the latter rain should precede the mark of the beast?

only that some read things one way and someone else reads them another way.

its that blue/green thing.