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Lesson #13 - Power Struggle #119595
09/21/09 10:30 PM
09/21/09 10:30 PM
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Here is the link to the lesson study and discussion material for the 13th and final lesson of this third quarter:

http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/09c/less13nkjv.html

This is an interesting title for this week's study and discussion.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Daryl] #119701
09/24/09 12:48 AM
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Diothrephes seems to have forgotten Christ's statement, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all" (Mark 9:35, NIV).

I found these questions important:

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Might there not be a bit of Diotrephes in all of us? Look at yourself. Are you greedy for power? Do you speak out against those you don't like? Most important, are you making the sad mistake of automatically assuming that what is best for you personally is best for the church as a whole?



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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Rosangela] #119716
09/24/09 01:13 PM
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From the SSNet materials:

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STORY

Pastor Crowell had only been in his new church for a few months and already was tearing his hair out.

His secretary, Marie, knew how the furniture should be arranged in the sanctuary and who should play the piano and the organ for church. She also knew who the best children's leaders were and the best meeting place for the young adults. But that was just the beginning. She told the pastor she was an interior decorator, even though only as a hobby, and showed her chosen colors for a badly needed paint job. She knew who should be hired to do the wiring that was needed in the church building and the best roofing company.

Pastor Crowell was happy at first for Marie to make these decisions. It was a huge relief for him not to have to worry about such matters. Then one Sunday afternoon Gene, the head elder, backed him into a corner of the hallway and said, "We can't have her making all the decisions about this church."

"I know," the pastor replied. "But most of her choices are good ones, don't you think?"

Gene shook his head slowly. "A war is building," he said. "The head deacon, the decorating committee, the maintenance director are furious. We have a huge power struggle here, and you're the only one who can stop it."

Pastor Crowell thought about this for several days. Marie was a good office worker. She organized the files and could find anything she'd filed away. She was never late to work and often stayed extra time without asking for pay. She wrote flawless reports and put together an error-free bulletin every week.

Finally he got his courage up. "Marie," he said, "you're taking on far too much responsibility for the church. I need a secretary, not a church manager."

Marie stared at him for several seconds. "Fine," she said. "Then you can find one." She picked up her purse and keys and left.


Joyce Griffith then makes the following questions for us to ponder:

Leading thought. If you've ever been involved in a power struggle, you can sympathize with the pastor in the above story. Or do your sympathies lie more with the secretary? Have you ever noticed that intelligent, talented, strong people are often the first to be involved in a church dispute? In our lesson study this week we learned that leadership conflicts go back to the beginnings of the Christian church. How can a church based on love to God and fellow man give birth to conflict among its members?

In view of our recent discussions here, I found the following set of questions she proposes also appropriate:

The biggest power struggle. Was the original conflict between Christ and Satan a power struggle? Did Satan want more power than he was given? The battle over power in heaven resulted in the disloyal angels being cast out. Did that end the power struggle? Why? or why not? How could heavenly beings get caught up in a struggle for power with God? Do you and I ever wage a power struggle with God? Do we ever insist on doing things "our" way no matter what?



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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Rosangela] #119717
09/24/09 01:59 PM
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Sometimes emotional problems members have can affect the whole church. There was a couple in our former district who had an unhealthy need to exercise some function in the church in order to prove to themselves and to others that they were capable of doing something. Their lack of self-esteem was evident. They were a dysfunctional family.

I wonder why we are reluctant to face our emotional problems. Often others see them but we ourselves don't. Someone compared this to a queue, where we can see the knapsack of the person who is ahead of us in the queue, but we can't see our own knapsack, which is on our back.

I like the wise prayer of the psalmist:

"Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts! And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!" (Ps 139:23, 24).

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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Rosangela] #119718
09/24/09 02:05 PM
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About this, I read a funny story this week:

We should take a hard look at ourselves from time to time.

During a visit to the mental asylum, a visitor asked the Director what the criterion was which defined whether or not a patient should be institutionalized.

“Well,” said the Director, “we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon, a teacup and a bucket to the patient and ask him or her to empty the bathtub.”

“Oh, I understand,” said the visitor. “A normal person would use the bucket because it’s bigger than the spoon or the teacup.”

“No.” said the Director, “A normal person would pull the plug. Do you want a bed near the window?”

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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Rosangela] #119760
09/26/09 12:14 AM
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That was a funny story! laugh

It seems that power struggles have most always been a problem, even from the time of the apostles, even after the former rain.

I wonder when these power struggle will end?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Daryl] #119798
09/26/09 07:17 PM
09/26/09 07:17 PM
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I believe the power struggle will end after the destruction of the wicked.
God has promised us there will be no more tears,pain, and suffering, for the former things are passed away.

This is not to say who ultimately has the power, because God is The One who has the power.
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
-Will

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Re: Lesson #13 - Power Struggle [Re: Daryl] #119949
09/30/09 01:15 AM
09/30/09 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl F
I wonder when these power struggle will end?

The root of sin is a power struggle about who will make decisions in my life. The power struggle ends at conversion, when the sinner submits to God.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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