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Re: What is the inevitable of result of sin? [Re: Mountain Man] #120868
10/23/09 04:27 PM
10/23/09 04:27 PM
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From the other thread:

Originally Posted By: Tom
Nice job compiling this list.

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1. God reveals His mercy, kindness, and love in small doses, which is healing for us, if we respond.


OK.

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2. Sin causes sinners to separate from God, who alone is the source of life, and they perish.


Close. When people choose sin, they separate themselves from God, who alone is the source of life. In so doing, they cut themselves off from life.

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3. The suffering of the wicked comes as a consequence of their own choice.


OK

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4. The suffering of the wicked is due to their selfishness.


OK

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5. Sin causes the wicked to suffer.


OK

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6. Sin causes sinners to feel lost, hopeless, and abandoned by God.


OK

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7. The rejection of truth hardens and destroys sinners.


It hardens their heart, not allowing them to respond to God's love, which would heal them. They form characters so out of harmony with God that they cannot abide His presence, which is a consuming fire to them.

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8. The wicked do not choose to be resurrected and or to revisit their sins in judgment.


These are two different things. Nobody chooses to be resurrected, of course, since everyone is unconscious. However, after being resurrected, one regains consciousness. I haven't made any comment about the wicked choosing or not choosing to have their sins revisited.

Rather than thinking of having their sins revisited, I would put it more in terms of revisiting their lives.

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9. The wicked do not revisit their sins, one at a time, and they do not experience shame and guilt increasing in intensity.


Again, I would put it more in terms of their lives being revisited. As this happens there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. The more sin in their lives, the more light rejected, the more weeping and gnashing (i.e. suffering).

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10. As the wicked comprehend more fully the contrast between their character and God's they do not experience emotional pain and agony increasing exponentially.


Why exponentially? This was your idea. I don't know what you were thinking.

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11. The revelation and comprehension of truth, love, mercy, and kindness does not reach unbearable levels, nor does it cause their heart to fail or cause them to die eternally.


I don't think I've commented on this. I think I just said I didn't want to go beyond what DA 764 said. I don't think I'd either confirm or deny what you just wrote.

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12. Sin is what causes death.


OK.

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13. God destroys sinners by being nice to them.


Probably being good to them is a better way of putting it. Or kind. "Nice" has sort of a negative connotation.

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14. The principles of mercy, kindness, and love are the means by which God destroys sinners.


They are the means by which He process the judgment is the point I've made.

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15. The full revelation of God's character, which is His kindness, mercy, and love will destroy sinners.


OK.

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16. God reveals His character through Jesus Christ; His kindness, mercy, and love; His goodness. This is how He destroys.


OK.



Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: What is the inevitable of result of sin? [Re: Mountain Man] #120871
10/23/09 05:58 PM
10/23/09 05:58 PM
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Tom, I'm ready to ditch this thread and finish discussing it on the "Suffering of the Lost" thread. How about you? Although I prefer the title of this thread.

Re: What is the inevitable of result of sin? [Re: Mountain Man] #120876
10/23/09 06:55 PM
10/23/09 06:55 PM
Tom  Offline
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It doesn't matter to me. (i.e. I don't mind)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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