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Re: Lesson #6 - Planning AHEAD
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God may save some who have unconfessed sins when they are suddenly cut down, but this is because He looks at the general trend of their life and character. Just because they have some fresh sins on their slate when they die does not mean they were purposefully unrepentant, nor does this mean those sins suddenly turn into "unpardonable" ones. In such cases do you think God will impute repentance knowing that they would have repented had not death taken them? Romans 4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Planning AHEAD
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M: Rosangela, yes, both Peter and Judas knew they were sinning. Peter's was spontaneous, whereas, Judas' was premeditated.
R: That's the point. Ellen White classifies willful sin as premeditated sin. Therefore, Peter's sin wasn't willful. True, Peter didn't premeditate denying the Lord thrice. Each time he denied Jesus, he knew it was wrong. He was not ignorant. His sin was all the more wrong because Jesus forewarned him and because he passionately promised not to deny Jesus. Here are some insightful passages on sin: But [Moses and Aaron] were not chargeable with willful or deliberate sin; they had been overcome by a sudden temptation, and their contrition was immediate and heartfelt. The Lord accepted their repentance, though because of the harm their sin might do among the people, He could not remit its punishment. {CC 110.2}
It is willful sin in them to be ignorant of the laws of health or indifferent to them, for they are looked up to as wise above other men. {CH 322.1} Every careless or willful violation of these laws is a sin against our Creator. {FLB 228.2} Ignorance in these things is sin. {CD 18.2}
Had you turned from the truth for earthly gain, it would not have been a sin of ignorance on your part, but a willful transgression. {2T 37.3} Whoever by willful deception or by a wrong example misleads a disciple of Christ is guilty of a great sin. {5T 244.3} The willful commission of a known sin silences the witnessing voice of the Spirit, and separates the soul from God. {FLB 331.6} The least deviation from its requirements, by neglect or willful transgression, is sin, and every sin exposes the sinner to the wrath of God. {1SM 218.2}
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Re: Lesson #6 - Planning AHEAD
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R: That's the point. Ellen White classifies willful sin as premeditated sin. Therefore, Peter's sin wasn't willful.
M: True, Peter didn't premeditate denying the Lord thrice. Each time he denied Jesus, he knew it was wrong. He was not ignorant. His sin was all the more wrong because Jesus forewarned him and because he passionately promised not to deny Jesus. As I said, the word in Hebrew refers not merely to sins of ignorance, but to all sins where there wasn't a (previous, premeditated) intent to sin. As I also said, Ellen White contrasts "errors committed through ignorance, thoughtlessness, or weakness" with "wilful, premeditated sin" (PUR, April 10, 1902 par. 7). That's why, to me, Peter's was a sin committed through weakness, while Juda's was a willful, premeditated sin.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Planning AHEAD
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"But [Moses and Aaron] were not chargeable with willful or deliberate sin; they had been overcome by a sudden temptation, and their contrition was immediate and heartfelt. The Lord accepted their repentance, though because of the harm their sin might do among the people, He could not remit its punishment. {CC 110.2} I can see Moses sin of striking the rock as an impulsive sin, but Aaron's sin? I have a hard time seeing Aaron's sin as anything but deliberate. He had to collect gold from all the people. Get the equipement and the fires going to melt it all down and shape a golden calf. That took some pretty good planning. Yes, I know he made it sound like the calf just kind of jumped out of the fire, but that was the speech of man trying to avoid blame. He even called the people to worship this calf, saying it was a day of worship to the Lord! 32:2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf. Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!” 5 So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD.” 6 Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play I mean, he didn't just hide in fear and let the people do what they wanted, he actually LED OUT in the whole affair! If Aaron was not chargeable with deliberate or willful sin, then Peter most certainly wasn't either. I think Peter was so emotionally distraught with fear and disappointed hope (after all he still didn't understand the sacrificial work of the Messiah and thought Christ should be king) that he didn't even realize he was fulfilling Christ's prediction of denial UNTIL the cock crowed the second time and it hit him like a thunderbolt.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Planning AHEAD
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Rosangela, yes, both Peter and Judas knew they were sinning. Peter's was spontaneous, whereas, Judas' was premeditated. In fact, Judas was hoping Jesus would declare Himself king and appoint him as His right hand man. Peter simply lied to save his hide. Have you been reading the gosple of Judas? Actually, Judas, thought he was better than Jesus, smarter. He thought Jesus needed a manager to keep Him on track. Judas wanted to be "the boss" and use Jesus for his own ends. In fact the continuous arguing amongst the disciples as to who would be greatest was usually instigated by Judas. And remember what event sent Judas scrurrying to the priest to make the betrayal arrangements. Money and power motivated Judas. Judas sin was not something of the moment -- it was the result of a lot of little steps into sin. "After seeing Him (Christ) degrade Himself (by washing feet), as he thought, he {Judas} was confirmed in his purpose to disown Him, and confess himself deceived. He was possessed by a demon, and he resolved to complete the work he had agreed to do in betraying his Lord. {DA 645.1} Judas was never sorry for his sins, he was merely sorry that things hadn't worked out as he had planned, and couldn't live with the consequences. Peter, on the other hand, loved the Lord with all his impetuous heart. He was ready to fight the whole mob there in the garden of Gethsemane, but Christ told him to put away his sword. Now Peter felt helpless, disoriented, confused, and fearful, out of control, totally uncertain of the future, as he saw the Man in whom he had placed all his hopes, beaten, and abused and condemned, AND DOING NOTHING. Peter's denial wasn't premediated, it came from his emotional confusion and fears. Once the reality of what he had done hit him, it nearly crushed his heart. He was truly sorry for what he had done!
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Re: Lesson #6 - Planning AHEAD
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""But [Moses and Aaron] were not chargeable with willful or deliberate sin . . ." {CC 110.2} I have a hard time seeing Aaron's sin as anything but deliberate. He had to collect gold from all the people. Get the equipement and the fires going to melt it all down and shape a golden calf. That took some pretty good planning. . . If Aaron was not chargeable with deliberate or willful sin, then Peter most certainly wasn't either. Are you applying the quote in CC 110 to the story of the golden calf? Of the golden calf debacle, Ellen wrote: "The Lord was very angry with Aaron to have destroyed him." Deuteronomy 9:20. But in answer to the earnest intercession of Moses, his life was spared; and in penitence and humiliation for his great sin, he was restored to the favor of God. {PP 320.4} Of all the sins that God will punish, none are more grievous in His sight than those that encourage others to do evil. {PP 323.3} Love no less than justice demanded that for this sin judgment should be inflicted. {PP 325.2} Seems to me Aaron was guilty of deliberate sin in the golden calf incident, but was not chargeable with deliberate sin when he and Moses disobeyed God at Meribah.
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