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Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . #122446
12/27/09 02:09 PM
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Here we are beginning a new quarter in a new year under the title of The Fruit of the Spirit.

Here's the link to this first lesson of the first quarter of 2010:


http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/10a/less01.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Daryl] #122448
12/27/09 03:27 PM
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Those who abide in Jesus always will bear fruit of the Spirit.

Amen. However, I suspect the majority disagree. Seems like more people believe being like Jesus all the time is impossible. In fact, they go to great lengths to prove from the Bible and the SOP that the fruits we bear in Christ are corrupt and stained with sin.

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Mountain Man] #122449
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Imagine two folk: One is a Seventh-day Adventist who knows and believes all the doctrines-state of the dead, Second Coming, 1844, and so on. This person, however, is mean, harsh, judgmental, and unloving. There's another person who, while professing faith in Christ, has rejected all these teachings, accepting what we would deem as theological error. Yet, this person is kind, forgiving, loving, and nonjudgmental, everything the "orthodox" Adventist isn't. Though, of course, we don't know hearts, if you had to guess which one was closer to the kingdom of God, whom would you choose, and why? What does your answer imply about what you deem is important in Christianity?

Just because certain church members are dysfunctional it doesn't mean nice atheists are godly. Satan works hard to bless certain people to try and prove that being a Christian is not necessary, that it is possible to be kind and loving like Jesus without having to be a Christian. Jesus is the standard of godliness - not dysfunctional church members or nice atheists.

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Mountain Man] #122483
12/29/09 10:49 PM
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Those who abide in Jesus always will bear fruit of the Spirit.

Amen. However, I suspect the majority disagree. Seems like more people believe being like Jesus all the time is impossible. In fact, they go to great lengths to prove from the Bible and the SOP that the fruits we bear in Christ are corrupt and stained with sin.

If the fruit is perfect, you don't have to strive to attain Christ's image - you have already attained it. I suppose you believe this is the case.

"God is purifying unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. He is sitting as a refiner and purifier of silver. When the dross and tin are removed, then His image will be perfectly reflected in us." 2T 317.2

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Rosangela] #122487
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The growth Christians experience while abiding in Jesus is "an advance from one stage of perfection to another" - not, as some people seem to believe, an advance from one stage of imperfection to a lesser stage of imperfection.

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"The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul." Through obedience comes sanctification of body, soul, and spirit. This sanctification is a progressive work, and an advance from one stage of perfection to another. {ML 250.4}

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Mountain Man] #122524
12/31/09 04:57 PM
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What does Paul mean when he says,"Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected"?

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Rosangela] #122527
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He will say the same thing after being in heaven 500 years. The point is - We will never reach a stage where we can no longer become more perfect. The difference between stages is depth and degree of righteousness not depth and degree of sin.

In the quote above, Paul is not saying he continues to sin and repent. Nor did he mean he is still possessed of sinful traits and habits.

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Mountain Man] #122535
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Can any of us say that we have displayed good fruit in our lives since becoming a Christian? I can't say that and still can't say that and I assume that no other Christian can say that.

What then does our being unable to say that mean?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Mountain Man] #122544
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He will say the same thing after being in heaven 500 years.

I don't believe that at all. The Bible says Adam was created in God's image. He reflected God's image from the moment he was created. But God's image hasn't yet been perfectly restored in me. Big difference.

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Re: Lesson #1 - By Their FRUIT . . . [Re: Daryl] #122545
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Can any of us say that we have displayed good fruit in our lives since becoming a Christian?

Do you think we can't say that? If we can say Christ has changed our lives, we can say that, can't we?

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