You should study your Bible more. Many goats were used in the sacrificial services for sin offerings, peace offerings and trepasses offerings -- all represented Jesus.

You are correct, Elle.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Yes, I knew they were used in sacrificial services. But so were other animals. Bulls, pigeons, etc. all represented Jesus or did the sacrifice represent Jesus? Or is there a difference?

The scapegoat basically tells us that God will take care of the sin problem. Depending on the context it can be applied to either Jesus or Satan.

It applys to Jesus in the fact that it was what Jesus did for us that takes away sin and casts it as far away as the east is from the west (the two directions the goats were taken), and with this the text of John the Baptist saying "Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world" if you translate it into Hebrew (which was NOT a dead lanugage at the time and used in preaching) it would be "Behold the Lamb of God that Scapegoates the sins of the world" which is the only way John the Baptist could have said it. (and it indicated that he said it on the Day of Atonement, thus more evidence supporting the Seventh-day Adventist understanding of the 70 weeks).

However when you look at the theam of the Great Controversy, it was Lucifer not looking for answers to his questions and leading the rebellion by stating lies about God that needed to be answered. As all the questions are answered and Satan can no longer bother us, then the scapegoat correctly applys to Satan.

Elle, you said:

<<This interpretation of the scapegoat by ascribing that Satan takes away our sins is gravely erroneous>>

What the Bible says about the Scapegoat is the following:

Lev 16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited

So your reference (and Kevin's) can only be to this. What I pointed out was that one can bear sin because of others when one is considered a partner in that sin.


The link doesn't work, so I don't know what you are referring to.

A goat symbolizes someone related to sin; kland is correct. That's why it was used for sin offerings. The fact that it represents Jesus is because Jesus was made to be sin for us (2 Cor. 5:21). In the same way that a serpent can represent both Satan and Jesus, a goat can represent both Satan and Jesus.

Some things were used as a symbol for both good and bad: leaven, lions, flesh, goats...

Here's how I presently see and would explain the scapegoat.

The scapegoat represents Satan.

Is that simple enough?

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Ok...here's the reason for the above.

Whereas our sins cause Jesus' death, as represented in the Lord's goat being killed at our own hands, our sins do not cause Satan's death--though our sins may be placed upon him and he be punished for them. The scapegoat was led out into the wilderness to wander by himself. Satan will also at the end be alone in a barren earth for a thousand years.

Our sins get placed both on the Lord's goat, causing His death, and on the scapegoat, who is punished for them, but not by us.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

It's not only our sins that caused Jesus' death, it is mainly because G-d broke two major liability Laws :

#1. The owner of Satan must die : Ex 21:28 "If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death."

Jesus,in agreement with His Father's perfect plan, let Satan come on earth knowing that he was dangerous and had succeeded to make angels fall prior. According to the Law of liability, if you have knowledge that whatever you own kills and you don't do anything about it and it kills other people, then the owner must die. Jesus, fulfilled this prophecy, for He, by creation was the owner, and He did die at the cross.

#2. The tree of knowledge unhedged and unprotected. Deut 22:8 " When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence. "

Ex 21:33 " And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; 21:34 The owner of the pit shall make it good, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beast shall be his. "

It was G-d’s responsibility to make the earth safe for Adam and Eve. G-d dug a hole (the tree of knowledge) and did not cover it; therefore the beast that fell in the hole belongs to G-d and it is His responsibility to make it good. So He did by redeeming the whole earth and making atonement via His two works :

i) His first work of JUSTIFICATION which was a death work done at His first coming(first goat dead, first dove dead); and

ii) His second work of SANCTIFICATION which is the live work (second goat & dove alive) through Jesus’ Second coming which Rev 19 describes (11) " And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. … (13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. … (15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” "

Take note that the second work is based on the first, and that is why the live dove in Lev 14 was dipped in the blood of the first dove. There is another TYPE given to us in the Bible showing this. Gen 37:31 " And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; "

Notice also that the work of SANCTIFICATION is done via JUDGMENT with the WORD OF G-D… SHARP SWORD. This is figurative, it is not a real steal sword that comes out of Jesus mouth, but it is the Word of G-d. The Word of G-d is the sword that will smite the nations at His second coming with the Laws of G-d.

It is not written in scripture that the hands were layed on the second goat and the sins are transferred. This is SDAs and other denominations speculations to support what they understand not and supporting what they have assumed by adopting the erronous Hell doctrine that has been passed down since the 5th century.

Also, the second goat is not the scapegoat.

I think this said it good enough. I was mistaken and maybe, as one so put it, "need to read my Bible more". I had thought one was a goat and the other was a lamb. But reading back over it, there were two goats. One for the Lord. And one not.

If the scapegoat should represent Jesus, what did the other goat represent?