FYI:

Yes indeed. The sins were placed on both goats, just as our sins are to be placed on both Christ and on Satan.

The scapegoat (live goat) represents Satan, whereas the Lord's goat, which was sacrificed, represents Christ.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Both goats represents Jesus because both goats needed to be perfect without blemish to be the sin offering.

Notice that both are said to be sin offerings, Lev 16:5"And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering."

Any of these goats cannot represent Satan as he is full of blemishes. Satan represent Azazel and none of these two goats.

Thx Kland....good studying !!! I stand corrected. I'm glad you found this as I didn't see it in the first section not checking the whole chapter. So I re-read the chapter seeing that the sin were only put on the live goat which was a sin offering without blemish representing Jesus.

Elle,

Which goat are you saying is the "live goat?" Is that not the same as the scapegoat?

From my reading of the passage, the live goat is the scapegoat, and it is distinct from the other goat, which the passage calls the Lord's goat.

I don't see how you would make the two goats to be equal, for it seems a clear difference is put between them, both in the way they are treated, and in the nomenclature used for them. The scapegoat is not called the Lord's goat. The one which becomes the "sin offering" is.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Both(dead goat + alive goat) are sin offerings according to scriptures and both had to be without blemish to be a sin offering.

There are 3 goats: #1. the dead goat, #2. alive goat and #3. Azazel. The alive goat is not Azazel. "Scapegoat" of "goat-of-departure" are erronous translation for Azazel. see details below. I did fix the link for Scripture4all below.

Honestly, that reasoning makes little sense to me. I recognize that Pan was a goat god. Modern cartoons, such as Peter Pan hark back to him. But you seem to be saying two things at once, and I cannot see how you reason it.

First, you equate the scapegoat with Azazel and say that it does not represent Jesus. Then you say Jesus was the live goat. The problem I have in understanding where you are coming from is that the live goat, as I understand it, must necessarily be the scapegoat. They are not two separate entities in the passage we are looking at.

Of course both goats are at the beginning "live." But only one of the two goats remains alive after the ceremonies are complete. That one is the scapegoat which is sent out into the wilderness.

If I'm misunderstanding your meaning, let me know.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

It looks like we both posted a respond at the same time and I think you didn't see mine. I believe I answered your question above your post.

My seeming like reasoning contradiction lies in the fact there is 3 goats in Lev 16(the 2 goats for the sin offering plus Azazel) by which todays english traduction implies only 2 by equating Azazel to the 2nd goat that is kept alive. You need to refer to the masoretic texts to see the errors in our Bibles translation.

Elle wrote: "It's not only our sins that caused Jesus' death, it is mainly because G-d broke two major liability Laws "

!?!?!? Are you saying Jesus died for God's sins ?!!?!?! God sinned and Jesus had to pay for it ???????

There are only two goats --
Lots are drawn, one is the Lord's the other for Azazel.

The Lord's goat is sacrificed. And while the priest enters the tabernacle to do the work of the atonement with the blood, the people are all outside afflicting their souls, praying for the atonement to be effective.
(See Lev.16:30; and 23:28,29)

All this time the Azazel goat stands at the door of the sanctuary staring out at the people -- he represents Satan the accuser of the brethern who accuses the people before God (see Rev. 12:10 and Zech. 3:1-5).

Satan has an accurate memory of the sins of those people and and he is accusing them before God that they do not deserve atonement.

But inside the priest, with the blood of the sacrifice, is making atonement and when he is finished making atonement for the people and the sanctuary he comes out and satan is silenced by having all the sins he's been busy accusing the forgiven people for committing, placed on his head, and he is sent out into the wilderness. Thus representing Satan's 1000 years in the abyss (see Rev. 21) which ends in his eternal destruction.