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Re: Is the Sabbath that important?
[Re: JAK]
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07/11/10 12:58 AM
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So, in reality, it is impossible to keep or break one without also keeping or breaking all ten. This is an old and unsubtantiated arguement which fails the test of even casual scrutiny. (Essentially it is saying that if you keep all the commandments but break one, you are breaking all the commandments. Therefore you are keeping all and breaking all at the same time.) There is a quantum difference between not keeping Sabbath and killing someone or sleeping with your neighbor's wife (or husband). Breaking one commandment does not break all the commandments. Period. True, breaking one commandment is just as much a sin as breaking another, but falls far short of "breaking all". James wrote, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (2:10) Again, it's one law, not ten laws.
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Re: Is the Sabbath that important?
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KJV or NIV, they both say the same thing. "[24]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.... [30]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free." Gal. 4:24, 30-31 (KJV) We had a good time with this in class yesterday, so it's fresh in my mind. Galatians contrasts Hagar/Ishmael and Sarah/Isaac, as a way to contrast the Old Covenant with the New. What's the contrast? Before we go there, let's see what it was NOT contrasting. The promise was that Abraham would have a son. In both cases, doing what God said - Abraham gets a son - was the goal. So also, in both the Old and New Covenants, doing what God said - living in harmony with Him - was the goal. So the common idea that the Old Covenant required obedience to God's law but the New Covenant abolished it, is not supported by Galatians. What is the contrast Paul was making? The goal was for Abraham to have a son. The Hagar plan was that Abraham would use human effort to fulfill God's word. It was an ingenious plan, and it worked. However, it was not what God wanted. What God wanted was for Abraham to accept His promised blessing, without trusting to human works. Isaac was to come in spite of the obvious human impossibility - an unmerited gift from God. That's the difference between the Old and New Covenants. The Old Covenant was based on the people's promise to obey God by their own untiring efforts. The New Covenant is based on the people receiving God's merit, in spite of their feeble efforts. But let's not forget that the New Covenant requires effort also. Isaac was not a virgin birth. But it would be foolish to say that the efforts of Abraham and Sarah went an iota toward the miracle of Isaac. So also in the New Covenant. But to say that the New Covenant abolished the law is wrong. It made it even more crucial. Rather than a list of requirements on stone, it becomes a list of blessings that God writes on our hearts.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Is the Sabbath that important?
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But even if they got it right, the Jews were still obligated to observe the OC rites and rituals. In other words, being under the NC did not obviate the requirements of the OC. So, what does that say about the OC?
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Re: Is the Sabbath that important?
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Galatians contrasts Hagar/Ishmael and Sarah/Isaac, as a way to contrast the Old Covenant with the New. What's the contrast?
Before we go there, let's see what it was NOT contrasting. The promise was that Abraham would have a son. In both cases, doing what God said - Abraham gets a son - was the goal. So also, in both the Old and New Covenants, doing what God said - living in harmony with Him - was the goal. So the common idea that the Old Covenant required obedience to God's law but the New Covenant abolished it, is not supported by Galatians.
What is the contrast Paul was making? The goal was for Abraham to have a son. The Hagar plan was that Abraham would use human effort to fulfill God's word. It was an ingenious plan, and it worked. However, it was not what God wanted.
What God wanted was for Abraham to accept His promised blessing, without trusting to human works. Isaac was to come in spite of the obvious human impossibility - an unmerited gift from God.
That's the difference between the Old and New Covenants. The Old Covenant was based on the people's promise to obey God by their own untiring efforts. The New Covenant is based on the people receiving God's merit, in spite of their feeble efforts. Well said.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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