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Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED #126340
07/13/10 01:37 PM
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Here is the link to this week's study and discussion material:

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In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Daryl] #126364
07/17/10 12:40 AM
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"All have sinned"

I found this comment by Jonathan Gallangher interesting:

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What is sin? We speak so often about this subject, but what really do we mean?

How do you define sin? Strange, isn’t it? We can know in our minds what we mean, but often it’s so hard to describe and define. Sin is the transgression of the law. That’s the
commonest definition. Does that mean that if we are in ignorance of the law then we are not sinning? Clearly not: Paul reminds us that sin remains sin even though we may not be aware of it. So we need to revise our definition a little.

Sin is not just a conscious breaking of some specific law. We may well be transgressing (breaking) laws we don’t even know about. Does that make us innocent?

Not at all. So then, what if we live exemplary lives, very Pharisaical in our observance of each law in minute detail—does that make us sinless? Again obviously not.
What is sin? Another answer is given in the NIV translation of 1 John 3:4: “Sin is lawlessness.” When that word is mentioned, what do you immediately think of?

Lawless? Outlaws...lawless frontier towns. Bandits. Westerns. The only ‘law’ the law of the gun, the fastest gun in the West and so on. Why were they lawless? Because they chose to go out and break the law? Or because of their inner attitude? Lawlessness speaks of an inner attitude of mind, a way of thinking and living that is out of harmony with the standard of conduct, behavior and living that the law expresses. ... Sin is an antagonistic attitude, a spirit of rebellion that separates us from God.


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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rosangela] #126365
07/17/10 01:05 AM
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Sin is an alienation from God with resulting wrong actions.

Jews and non-Jews are under sin. This means that, whether people are religious or not, they are under the power of sin, and they can only be made free from this power through faith in Christ and through His power to save. They must admit they need help before they can find the true remedy, which is Jesus Christ.

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rosangela] #126366
07/17/10 01:19 AM
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Some illustrations that can be used for this week's lesson:

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"Don't Put It Off, John!"

Speaking to his physician, John cried in great perplexity, "I might not live a week!"
"Of course you may not, John, but very likely you will, and the medicine will be in the house; it will keep; and if you find yourself getting worse, you could take some. I shall not charge anything for it. If you should feel worse tomorrow you might begin even then."
"Sir, I may be dead tomorrow!"
"When would you propose to begin your medicince then, John?"
"Well, sir, I hoped you would tell me to begin today."
"Begin today, by all means," consented the doctor, kindly. "I am glad to see you realize how foolish it is to put off taking this medicine." And then the physician, reflecting upon their past conversations about spiritual matters, inquired, "But are you not being just as foolish when you put off taking the medicine which the Great Physician has provided for your sin-sick soul? I plead with you, John; don't put it off!"


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The Bridge of Repentance and Pardon

Across the River Zambesi, below the Victoria Falls, is a bridge which spans the widest chasm and overlooks the most terrific turmoil of waters to be seen on any river in the world. That bridge was made by building out an arm from either shore and uniting the two outstretched arms in the center above the roaring stream. Neither arm could have reached the opposite bank by itself; the two were needed to meet each other. Such are repentance and pardon which form the bridge across that tumultuous stream and those stupendous falls which separate the soul from God. At first one is inclined to say, "Why cannot the bridge of pardon be thrown over exclusively from God's side?" Perhaps others are tempted to say, "Surely the bridge of repentance will span the chasm and bring the soul to the unregarding God." But no, the truth lies here: pardon without repentance is impossible, and repentance without pardon is useless. When repentance and pardon meet, the soul is joined with God.


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Put Yourself among Sinners

Dwight L. Moody once said, "The great trouble is that people take everything in general, and do not take it to themselves. Suppose a man should say to me, 'Moody, there was a man in Europe who died last week, and left five million dollars to a certain individual.' 'Well,' I say, 'I don't doubt that; it's rather a common thing to happen,' and I don't think anything more about it. But suppose he says, 'But he left the money to you.' Then I pay attention; I say, 'To me?' 'Yes, he left it to you.' I become suddenly interested. I want to know all about it. So we are apt to think Christ died for sinners; He died for everybody, and for nobody in particular. But when the truth comes to me that eternal life is mine, and all the glories of heaven are mine, I begin to be interested. I say, 'Where is the chapter and verse where it says I can be saved?' If I put myself among sinners, I take the place of the sinner, then that salvation is mine and I am sure of it for time and eternity."


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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rosangela] #126369
07/17/10 05:42 AM
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It might be a little too deep for most SS classes, but the quarterly did not touch the fact that all have sinned - past tense.

Paul didn't say all will sin, or all will probably sin, or all have the tendency to sin, or any soft words like that. He said all have sinned - a done deal.

However, the "falling short" of God's glory is in the present tense.

But there are those among us who teach that the "sin part" of the verse should be future tense, and the "fall short part" should be past tense. That's not what Paul wrote.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: asygo] #126373
07/17/10 07:33 AM
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The quarterly just seemed to skim the surface, but the study help had some good quotes:

This matter is so dimly comprehended that thousands upon thousands claiming to be sons of God are children of the wicked one, because they will depend on their own works. God always demanded good works, the law demands it, but because man placed himself in sin where his good works were valueless, Jesus' righteousness alone can avail. Christ is able to save to the uttermost because He ever liveth to make intercession for us. {6BC 1071.5}

All that man can possibly do toward his own salvation is to accept the invitation, "Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." No sin can be committed by man for which satisfaction has not been met on Calvary. Thus the cross, in earnest appeals, continually proffers to the sinner a thorough expiation (MS 50, 1900). {6BC 1071.6}

24-26 (see EGW on ch. 5:11). The Father Abundantly Satisfied.--The atonement that has been made for us by Christ is wholly and abundantly satisfactory to the Father. God can be just, and yet the justifier of those who believe (MS 28, 1905). {6BC 1071.7}

(Ch. 5:1.) Justification Means Complete Pardon.--[Romans 3:24-26 quoted.] Here the truth is laid out in plain lines. This mercy and goodness is wholly undeserved. The grace of Christ is freely to justify the sinner without merit or claim on his part. Justification is a full, complete pardon of sin. The moment a sinner accepts Christ by faith, that moment he is pardoned.

The righteousness of Christ is imputed to him, and he is no more to doubt God's forgiving grace. {6BC 1071.8}

There is nothing in faith that makes it our saviour. Faith cannot remove our guilt. Christ is the power of God unto salvation to all them that believe. The justification comes through the merits of Jesus Christ. He has paid the price for the sinner's redemption. Yet it is only through faith in His blood that Jesus can justify the believer. {6BC 1071.9}

The sinner cannot depend upon his own good works as a means of justification. He must come to the point where he will renounce all his sin, and embrace one degree of light after another as it shines upon his pathway. He simply grasps by faith the free and ample provision made in the blood of Christ. He believes the promises of God, which through Christ are made unto him sanctification and righteousness and redemption. And if he follows Jesus, he will walk humbly in the light, rejoicing in the light and diffusing that light to others. Being justified by faith, he carries cheerfulness with him in his obedience in all his life. Peace with God is the result of what Christ is to him. The souls who are in subordination to God, who honor Him, and are doers of His Word, will receive divine enlightenment. In the precious Word of God there is purity and loftiness as well as beauty that, unless assisted by God, the highest powers of man cannot attain to (ST May 19, 1898). {6BC 1071.10}

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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Rick H] #126379
07/17/10 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Richard
God always demanded good works, the law demands it, but because man placed himself in sin where his good works were valueless, Jesus' righteousness alone can avail. {6BC 1071.5}

This is a very important point that few grasp. Good works are demanded, but they are valueless. The only thing of value, in terms of salvific acts, is Christ's righteousness, not ours.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: asygo] #126386
07/18/10 04:51 AM
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Dwight L. Moody once said, "The great trouble is that people take everything in general, and do not take it to themselves. Suppose a man should say to me, 'Moody, there was a man in Europe who died last week, and left five million dollars to a certain individual.' 'Well,' I say, 'I don't doubt that; it's rather a common thing to happen,' and I don't think anything more about it. But suppose he says, 'But he left the money to you.' Then I pay attention; I say, 'To me?' 'Yes, he left it to you.' I become suddenly interested. I want to know all about it. So we are apt to think Christ died for sinners; He died for everybody, and for nobody in particular. But when the truth comes to me that eternal life is mine, and all the glories of heaven are mine, I begin to be interested.


Nice.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Tom] #126387
07/18/10 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
This is a very important point that few grasp. Good works are demanded, but they are valueless. The only thing of value, in terms of salvific acts, is Christ's righteousness, not ours.


How are we saved? The following is the clearest explanation for me:

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How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29.

The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour.

Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8. (DA 175)


We are saved as we perceive and respond to the love of God revealed at the cross. If we do not resist, God will do all the marvelous things mentioned here for us, bad as we are.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #3 - All Have SINNED [Re: Tom] #126391
07/19/10 04:28 AM
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Sorry to stop your diversion here - and say so directly, but God's love isn't the kingpin of salvation for us as you have tried to make it appear.

The centre of the cross of Christ is the second death suffered by the Son of God in mortal flesh having been made sin for us. That Christ died for sin is the method of redeeming us from the death due sin. For us to experience justification and be saved by Jesus, we must die to self by participating by grace through faith in that death to sin of Jesus for us.

"Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin." Love even in action by itself does nothing to save us: Christ's achievement in saving the world in himself was his meritorious life and his righteous death for sin, coupled with his victory also over the grave (Rom 4:25).

Christ's righteousness imputed to us by rebirth of the Spirit in the experience of justification by faith qualifies us for heaven & eternal life. His character traits imparted to us and personalised in us by the work of his Spirit in us fits us for heaven: a preparatory work for seeing him coming in the air, not a thing of value in qualifying for redemption.

It is our experience of being saved. Amen!

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