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Re: Lesson #6 (4th Quarter 2011): The Priority of the Promise
[Re: asygo]
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M: That's not what happened. Jesus merely stated what did happen. Again, Jesus knows the future like history.
A: You and I are on the same page regarding God's foreknowledge. Yes, Jesus knew what would happen. And He said in advance what would happen. But that does not nullify the conditions, which He knew would be met by Abraham. Seems to me Abraham's role was pretty minimal when viewed in light of everything that happened between the birth of Isaac and the birth of Jesus. God simply told Abraham he would have a son through whom the Messiah would eventually come. Everything depended on God choosing to work with the nation of Israel. The conditions of the promise rested with God - not Israel. That is, it rested with God to impregnate Mary with Jesus. God didn't ask Mary's permission. He simply told her - You're going to give birth to the Messiah. (Side topic: Where is Tom, BTW? I have not seen him for a long time.) He said he is busy. I suspect the whole NJK Project debacle burned him out.
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Re: Lesson #6 (4th Quarter 2011): The Priority of the Promise
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M: That's not what happened. Jesus merely stated what did happen. Again, Jesus knows the future like history.
A: You and I are on the same page regarding God's foreknowledge. Yes, Jesus knew what would happen. And He said in advance what would happen. But that does not nullify the conditions, which He knew would be met by Abraham. Seems to me Abraham's role was pretty minimal when viewed in light of everything that happened between the birth of Isaac and the birth of Jesus. God simply told Abraham he would have a son through whom the Messiah would eventually come. Everything depended on God choosing to work with the nation of Israel. The conditions of the promise rested with God - not Israel. That is, it rested with God to impregnate Mary with Jesus. God didn't ask Mary's permission. He simply told her - You're going to give birth to the Messiah. Yes, his part was quite minimal, but necessary. Here's how the SOP describes it: The part man is required to sustain is immeasurably small, yet in the plan of God it is just that part that is needed to make the work a success. {AG 319.3} One can look at the situation this way: "God made His promises unilaterally, with no conditions upon man." Or one can look at it this way: "God made His promises to a man whom He knew would meet the conditions." I go with the latter. (Side topic: Where is Tom, BTW? I have not seen him for a long time.) He said he is busy. I suspect the whole NJK Project debacle burned him out. I'm sorry I missed most of that debacle. Well, actually, not that sorry. I'm more sorry for those who had to go through it.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #6 (4th Quarter 2011): The Priority of the Promise
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The bethren will instinctively pick up rocks and stones as they hear what I am saying........ Keep ducking until you get to this week's lesson. "What law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? I answer: Both the ceremonial and the moral code of ten commandments."
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By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #6 (4th Quarter 2011): The Priority of the Promise
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Yes. The incorrect idea that God's covenants with His people are just His promises was defended by Waggoner. In this he was clearly in disagreement with Ellen White. They agreed, actually, but got to have the whole context for that. The covenant God made with Abraham concerns justification by faith, not also sanctification, though that part - condition - of salvation was implicit, already, too. Waggoner taught a JBF which makes the believer a converted, doer of righteousness: rebirth is part of JBF, after all, so that we may use God's power to obey him, becoming children of God in JBF by that same power. God's promise to Abraham didn't call immediately for the obedience of Mount Moriah, but for taking God at his word, trusting God as telling the truth. The Quarterly is thus correct, limiting that moment to God's promise and miracle of a new heart in Abraham: JBF, or RBF which is the experience of justification - i.e. receiving the promised gift of salvation. It's all about the promises of God, here, in this week's lesson, remeber.
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Re: Lesson #6 (4th Quarter 2011): The Priority of the Promise
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Both laws indeed were our guardian, the moral law still so, since Christ prioritises himself, the law-giver, over the written law, for those who believe, writing the 10C on our heart with our birth from above (Jn 3:3b, marg.). Nice reminder of the 'defence' of the law conflict, RickH.
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